Dancing with a flamed sword !! - Page 2

*elly belly* · 06-21-2008, 06:23 PM

i found a short clip of this other fire dance in a restaurant
YouTube - Shema Fire sword Bellydance

Gia al Qamar · 06-21-2008, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Shanazel

I'm not a fan of gimmicks in dance, and fire (in my own little ol' opinion) falls into that category. It reminds me of high school majorettes twirling fire batons.

I agree. The 2nd clip wasn't at all impressive either...the dancer honestly looked as though she was terrified to move (and I can't blame her)...she was being so cautious that she manages on a few undulations and chest shimmies, a drop to her knees...again...where's the DANCING?
I applaud innovation...showmanship is so important when performing in this kind of venue...but when your prop dictates your dancing, creativity and emotion...it just doesn't work...JMHO.

*elly belly* · 06-21-2008, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Gia al Qamar

I agree. The 2nd clip wasn't at all impressive either...the dancer honestly looked as though she was terrified to move (and I can't blame her)...she was being so cautious that she manages on a few undulations and chest shimmies, a drop to her knees...again...where's the DANCING?
I applaud innovation...showmanship is so important when performing in this kind of venue...but when your prop dictates your dancing, creativity and emotion...it just doesn't work...JMHO.

thats exactly wat i was thinking, especiallywith the one i just posted!

Tikvah · 06-22-2008, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Gia al Qamar

I agree. The 2nd clip wasn't at all impressive either...the dancer honestly looked as though she was terrified to move (and I can't blame her)...she was being so cautious that she manages on a few undulations and chest shimmies, a drop to her knees...again...where's the DANCING?
I applaud innovation...showmanship is so important when performing in this kind of venue...but when your prop dictates your dancing, creativity and emotion...it just doesn't work...JMHO.

I learned a "golden rule" about dancing with props. Do your dance without the prop. How does it look? Does it look like you aren't dancing if you don't have the prop to interact with? This is one of my major problems with most Wings of Isis and veil pieces....lots of really beautiful fabric twirling about without dancing to go along with it! This dancer just fell into the same trap....it just happens that fire is more dangerous than a veil.

jenc · 06-22-2008, 03:44 PM

Hear Hear. Wings can be very very very boring IMO

Oblivion · 06-25-2008, 06:28 PM

yes i was going to say the same thing about practacing without your prop. Im all for props if done well but must times they are not. Also, if your going to go through all the trouble of dancing with fire..shouldnt it be dark? othere wise is it even worth it?

Shanazel · 06-25-2008, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tikvah

I learned a "golden rule" about dancing with props. Do your dance without the prop. How does it look? Does it look like you aren't dancing if you don't have the prop to interact with? This is one of my major problems with most Wings of Isis and veil pieces....lots of really beautiful fabric twirling about without dancing to go along with it! This dancer just fell into the same trap....it just happens that fire is more dangerous than a veil.

Very good, Tikvah! (Off topic: is it Tikvah as in "Ha Tikvah" which I think means "the hope" in Hebrew?)

Tikvah · 06-25-2008, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Shanazel

Very good, Tikvah! (Off topic: is it Tikvah as in "Ha Tikvah" which I think means "the hope" in Hebrew?)

Exactly :-) I was going to change my dance name, but the name I was going to choose is already taken in the troupe I'm currently dancing with :-)

Tikvah · 06-25-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Oblivion

yes i was going to say the same thing about practacing without your prop. Im all for props if done well but must times they are not. Also, if your going to go through all the trouble of dancing with fire..shouldnt it be dark? othere wise is it even worth it?

It would probably help if it was dark, but I'm not sure if some of the bd movements would show up well in the dark.

Jane · 06-26-2008, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Tikvah

It was pretty standard drum circle kind of music....it's not exciting, but the drummers might not have been pro's

I love drum circles, even when they're not pro's. A way to help out a drum circle caught on enless repeat is to find the lead drummer and ask for what you want. Even if they only know two rhythms, they can vary the tempo for you and switch off a bit. Maybe teach them a new one to try out? I had to do it this last weekend, so I guess I'm not shy. I got some new drummers to learn moqsoum- hooray! The biggest challenge was getting the beer drinking ones to play quietly

I think those dancers in the video would have had more to work with if the music had had more variety. The fire thing I'm just not into.

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Oblivion Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 6	yes i was going to say the same thing about practacing without your prop. Im all for props if done well but must times they are not. Also, if your going to go through all the trouble of dancing with fire..shouldnt it be dark? othere wise is it even worth it?