Similar choreographies?

Aniseteph · 02-02-2008, 05:05 PM

I just dipped into Bhuz and saw a thread comparing these two clips, and the consensus seemed to be they were similar enough for it to be a bit

for the first to be coming over all copyrightish about "her" work.

I admit I am hopeless at spotting moves and combinations, but I just don't see it. There's a big hip circle followed by a turn and coming up into undulations at 1:52 in the first and about 2:25 in the second, which makes me think #1 has definitely watched #2 quite closely at some point

. And arabesques in the fast section at the end, but those kind of fit to that type of music anyway.

Didn't want to join in on Bhuz 'cos I'm such a noob on there

, so please can anyone here explain what I'm missing?

karena · 02-02-2008, 05:31 PM

I managed to kind of get them to play at the same time, except the bottom one kept repeating phrases so I had to pause for that bit, and I could see definite similarities and there was the odd bit that was very similar but imho is that not because they were similar in style, and there are certain moves that seem to go well to certain types of music/instruments?

I'd appreciate a more expert view too.

chryssanthi sahar · 02-05-2008, 02:45 PM

The choreographies are indeed very similar. The first clip (the trio) is from Djamilla (Germany) and her new dancing partners. The second is from BDSS (Amar Gamal). Who was complaining that her copyrights were stolen? Amar Gamal? Well, the choreo isn't completely stolen, but it is very very similar. One could dance also completely different on this music (o.k., similar movement repertory, but different combinations and different expression). But many people cannot really listen to the music, so they tend to copy choreographies and just vary them a little bit.

Ayse · 02-05-2008, 03:20 PM

This is a great song - so dynamic (the name escapes me though)! A troupe I was in performed to this once, although with much less skill than the above! I'm pleased to see that our director taught us a completely different choreo to it; I only saw one or two moves (like the arabesque the first group did at about 3:28) that we did at the same points. I also liked our grand finale better than either of these. It was much more dramatic, and I remember it being very challenging for me to learn because we had a lot of complicated turns. But it was fun!

Aniseteph · 02-05-2008, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by chryssanthi sahar

The choreographies are indeed very similar. The first clip (the trio) is from Djamilla (Germany) and her new dancing partners. The second is from BDSS (Amar Gamal). Who was complaining that her copyrights were stolen? Amar Gamal?

No one was complaining. Djamilla's clip had "Copyright: Djamila - Orient Academy 2007. Please respect the rights of an artist!" on the YouTube info, and the Bhuzzers thought it was a bit too similar to the BDSS version for her to be talking copyright.

Well I still reckon a smart lawyer would get her off (apart from the turn/undulation bit). A lot of the moves are similar but not strung together in the same order, so if it was written down it would not look like the same dance technically. But I agree the effect is similar.

Don't know how you stop that happening (assuming you want to stop it and are not a BDSS wannabe

) - my gut feeling is what Chryssanthi said about going right back to the music and really listening and making it personal.

chryssanthi sahar · 02-06-2008, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Aniseteph

Don't know how you stop that happening (assuming you want to stop it and are not a BDSS wannabe

) - my gut feeling is what Chryssanthi said about going right back to the music and really listening and making it personal.

YES!

You don't copy others, when you learn to listen exactly to the music, feel it and interpret it with your body your way. I never dance choreography, I always improvise, because I know the patterns of the music and the "rules" of what movement suits what rhythm/instrument/mood etc. But because I go very much into the music people think that I dance choreography. You'll never see me dancing twice the same thing on a song though. Therefore I am not afraid of people "stealing" my "choreographies", because if they copy something they saw me dancing on a video, they will just copy that specific moment. Next time my "choreography" will look different again

Hyacinth · 02-12-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by chryssanthi sahar

I always improvise, because I know the patterns of the music and the "rules" of what movement suits what rhythm/instrument/mood etc.

Some of us do it because we're crap at remembering choreography!

I do think those dances are too similar for it to just be coincidence. At least they didn't copy the "my skirt is about to fall off my hips" look though

chryssanthi sahar · 02-14-2008, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Hyacinth

Some of us do it because we're crap at remembering choreography!

Haha, this is another important reason

02-02-2008, 05:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
Aniseteph V.I.P. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sussex, England Posts: 1,689	Similar choreographies? I just dipped into Bhuz and saw a thread comparing these two clips, and the consensus seemed to be they were similar enough for it to be a bit for the first to be coming over all copyrightish about "her" work. I admit I am hopeless at spotting moves and combinations, but I just don't see it. There's a big hip circle followed by a turn and coming up into undulations at 1:52 in the first and about 2:25 in the second, which makes me think #1 has definitely watched #2 quite closely at some point . And arabesques in the fast section at the end, but those kind of fit to that type of music anyway. Didn't want to join in on Bhuz 'cos I'm such a noob on there , so please can anyone here explain what I'm missing?

02-02-2008, 05:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
karena Moderator Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The North, UK Posts: 811	I managed to kind of get them to play at the same time, except the bottom one kept repeating phrases so I had to pause for that bit, and I could see definite similarities and there was the odd bit that was very similar but imho is that not because they were similar in style, and there are certain moves that seem to go well to certain types of music/instruments? I'd appreciate a more expert view too. __________________ "Nothing is black and white, it's all shades of grey" Me

02-05-2008, 02:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
chryssanthi sahar Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 1,482	The choreographies are indeed very similar. The first clip (the trio) is from Djamilla (Germany) and her new dancing partners. The second is from BDSS (Amar Gamal). Who was complaining that her copyrights were stolen? Amar Gamal? Well, the choreo isn't completely stolen, but it is very very similar. One could dance also completely different on this music (o.k., similar movement repertory, but different combinations and different expression). But many people cannot really listen to the music, so they tend to copy choreographies and just vary them a little bit. __________________ Oriental dancer and instructor of Greek origin, living in Germany www.chryssanthi.com

02-05-2008, 03:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
Ayse Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: CT Posts: 1	This is a great song - so dynamic (the name escapes me though)! A troupe I was in performed to this once, although with much less skill than the above! I'm pleased to see that our director taught us a completely different choreo to it; I only saw one or two moves (like the arabesque the first group did at about 3:28) that we did at the same points. I also liked our grand finale better than either of these. It was much more dramatic, and I remember it being very challenging for me to learn because we had a lot of complicated turns. But it was fun!