Om Kalsoum- Good, bad and the ugly interpretations - Page 2

Simone min al Akariyah · 02-23-2007, 08:46 PM

After all, my favourite in MISinterpreting 'Enta omri' is Didem. As a Turk she should have more feeling in what can be behind the music. But she ignored. The veil dancer and Masha have no oriental roots. "They don't know better " an arab would say. So they have a 50% excuse.

But it is difficult for most of us to assess our limits regarding dancing to arabic music.

The safest would be not to try BD at all. But we just love it.

Maria_Aya · 02-23-2007, 08:50 PM

Hi babes

Just adding one of my fav dancers video for Lissa Faker song, Orit from Israel.
Enjoy her:

and also our own greek Aisha for the same song from her great performance at the UNESCO CID congress.

Maria Aya

Simone min al Akariyah · 02-23-2007, 09:06 PM

The Israeli Orit is really amazing. How can someone without arab roots dance as classy and authentically as she does. And she is not even involved in BD for a long time.

Aisha:
Due to the camera-management recording her from downstairs I could not really enjoy her in a way she deserves. But I also found her outstanding.

Gia al Qamar · 02-23-2007, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simone min al Akariyah

The Israeli Orit is really amazing. How can someone without arab roots dance as classy and authentically as she does.

WHAAA?????????????????
Being an Arab doesn't automatically make anyone a good dancer, 'classy' or authentic!
I'd also like to remind that as an Israeli, she IS Middle Eastern...not everyone with Middle Eastern lineage is an Arab.

Gia

nicknack · 02-23-2007, 11:02 PM

Yes all other Semites can dance just as well (it doesn't matter if we've wandered far and and wide), we've been to Ethiopia, Yemen, India, Central Asia, Turkey, Persia, just down the road in Egypt and we bought all our culture back home to the land of milk and hummus...

Not to say that Circassians, Armenians, Maronites, Thai & Vietnemese can't dance either, it's all come together in various dance companies (and also on the drum beach)...

I guess it all comes down to the knowledge of the dancer and the audiences point of view... now I have to go find hummus because I've made myself hungry (can't wait to get home where my love/talented cook is

)

sedoniaraqs · 02-23-2007, 11:22 PM

This is Lucy from the DC area dancing to Lissa Fakir. I think it is just about perfect.

Sedonia

YouTube - Lucy Bellydancer - Lessa Fakir

Kiraze · 02-24-2007, 01:51 AM

I sometimes wonder if some of Om Kalsoum´s songs are "easier" to dance than the others are of Lissa Fakir as I have not seen truly awful versions (and all four shown here were quite nice) and also interpretations of Alf Leyla we Leyla are often much better than e.g. of Enta Omri.

Here are couple of American versions of Alf Leyla - first by Bozenka (which in my eyes is Ok but not great):

and then by Aziza (which I like a lot), unfortunately this clip is flagged so it needs YouTube login

Hyacinth · 02-24-2007, 10:56 AM

oooh, I really liked Aziza's Alf Leyla Wa Leyla - there is a clip of Didem dancing to another version of it on YouTube, but it's in a very different style

And of course, Orit is fabulous!

Gia al Qamar · 02-24-2007, 02:30 PM

I've always loved (American) Lucy's "Lessa Fakir" interpretation...I think she did a fantasitc job!
Gia

chryssanthi sahar · 02-24-2007, 07:30 PM

If I am honest, I liked most of all (next to Egyptian Lucy), American Lucys interpretation. She dances a very good Egyptian style. I also liked Orit and Aisha, I found Bozenka acceptable but not great, but I didn't like Azeeza's interpretation. She tries to dance Egyptian, but it looks more like American Cabaret , which is absolutely o.k. for any other kind of music, but nor for Oum Kalsoum (O.k., you know by now that I am a purist, when it comes to Oum Kalsoum).
I agree with Kiraze, that there are Oum Kalsoum songs which are difficult to dance, and others which are less difficult. It depends also at the musical interpretation. If they have been kept "original", or if they have been very adapted to Raqs Sharqi.

02-23-2007, 08:50 PM	#12 (permalink)
Maria_Aya Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 2,221	Hi babes Just adding one of my fav dancers video for Lissa Faker song, Orit from Israel. Enjoy her: and also our own greek Aisha for the same song from her great performance at the UNESCO CID congress. Maria Aya Last edited by Maria_Aya; 02-23-2007 at 08:53 PM.

02-23-2007, 11:02 PM	#15 (permalink)
nicknack Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Nottingham UK Posts: 269	Yes all other Semites can dance just as well (it doesn't matter if we've wandered far and and wide), we've been to Ethiopia, Yemen, India, Central Asia, Turkey, Persia, just down the road in Egypt and we bought all our culture back home to the land of milk and hummus... Not to say that Circassians, Armenians, Maronites, Thai & Vietnemese can't dance either, it's all come together in various dance companies (and also on the drum beach)... I guess it all comes down to the knowledge of the dancer and the audiences point of view... now I have to go find hummus because I've made myself hungry (can't wait to get home where my love/talented cook is ) Last edited by nicknack; 02-24-2007 at 01:06 AM. Reason: because I can't spell

02-23-2007, 11:22 PM	#16 (permalink)
sedoniaraqs Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: cultural wasteland of the midwestern US Posts: 574	This is Lucy from the DC area dancing to Lissa Fakir. I think it is just about perfect. Sedonia YouTube - Lucy Bellydancer - Lessa Fakir Last edited by sedoniaraqs; 02-23-2007 at 11:30 PM.

02-24-2007, 01:51 AM	#17 (permalink)
Kiraze Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 389	I sometimes wonder if some of Om Kalsoum´s songs are "easier" to dance than the others are of Lissa Fakir as I have not seen truly awful versions (and all four shown here were quite nice) and also interpretations of Alf Leyla we Leyla are often much better than e.g. of Enta Omri. Here are couple of American versions of Alf Leyla - first by Bozenka (which in my eyes is Ok but not great): and then by Aziza (which I like a lot), unfortunately this clip is flagged so it needs YouTube login Last edited by Kiraze; 02-24-2007 at 02:57 AM. Reason: misspellings as always...

02-24-2007, 07:30 PM	#20 (permalink)
chryssanthi sahar Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 1,482	If I am honest, I liked most of all (next to Egyptian Lucy), American Lucys interpretation. She dances a very good Egyptian style. I also liked Orit and Aisha, I found Bozenka acceptable but not great, but I didn't like Azeeza's interpretation. She tries to dance Egyptian, but it looks more like American Cabaret , which is absolutely o.k. for any other kind of music, but nor for Oum Kalsoum (O.k., you know by now that I am a purist, when it comes to Oum Kalsoum). I agree with Kiraze, that there are Oum Kalsoum songs which are difficult to dance, and others which are less difficult. It depends also at the musical interpretation. If they have been kept "original", or if they have been very adapted to Raqs Sharqi. __________________ Oriental dancer and instructor of Greek origin, living in Germany www.chryssanthi.com

02-23-2007, 08:46 PM	#11 (permalink)
Simone min al Akariyah Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: DUS, Germany Posts: 80	After all, my favourite in MISinterpreting 'Enta omri' is Didem. As a Turk she should have more feeling in what can be behind the music. But she ignored. The veil dancer and Masha have no oriental roots. "They don't know better " an arab would say. So they have a 50% excuse. But it is difficult for most of us to assess our limits regarding dancing to arabic music. The safest would be not to try BD at all. But we just love it.

02-23-2007, 09:06 PM	#13 (permalink)
Simone min al Akariyah Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: DUS, Germany Posts: 80	The Israeli Orit is really amazing. How can someone without arab roots dance as classy and authentically as she does. And she is not even involved in BD for a long time. Aisha: Due to the camera-management recording her from downstairs I could not really enjoy her in a way she deserves. But I also found her outstanding.

02-24-2007, 10:56 AM	#18 (permalink)
Hyacinth Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 50	oooh, I really liked Aziza's Alf Leyla Wa Leyla - there is a clip of Didem dancing to another version of it on YouTube, but it's in a very different style And of course, Orit is fabulous!

02-24-2007, 02:30 PM	#19 (permalink)
Gia al Qamar Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Northern NJ New Jersey Posts: 437	I've always loved (American) Lucy's "Lessa Fakir" interpretation...I think she did a fantasitc job! Gia