adiemus
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Aziyade said this 'Of course modern Egyptians (for example) are AWARE of goings-on in America (for example). But has what happened HERE directly affected what happens THERE -- as far as dance and music? What great and distinguishing features of Western music and dance do we see in Egyptian or Turkish or Lebanese music and dance? I think that would make a very interesting thread because I think there are far fewer direct effects and affects than people realize.'
So I thought I'd take up the challenge and start looking at how non-Middle Eastern music has influenced ME music.
I'm not a musicethnologist, but I am a researcher and I've studied classical western music for a long time, so this is something I've pondered for a long time.
Firstly, there are some major differences between traditional or classical Arabic music and all western music
- the distinction between the primacy of melody in Arabic music and the inclusion of harmony in western music is the first one that comes to mind
- the maqamat that don't look at all like the scales that western music uses
- the rhythm and time signatures that are very different and more complex than most western music
What has happened is that Arabic musicians have gradually adopted western musical instruments - this has restricted the tones available within a maqam. So modern Arabic music sounds more like western music than early Arabic music simply because the tones are more similar (semi-tones rather than intermediate tones).
Some other things I've noticed is the role of amplification and recording styles.
Non-amplified or acoustic music sounds very different from amplified music. The bass tones, the tabla and dombek are much more prominent than in earlier recordings.
I can also hear simpler rhythms in many of the sha'abi songs and more modern pop songs - much more use of 4/4 timing, with tabla or dombek motifs over the top, but I don't think I've heard a 9 or 10 beat pop song ever!
As I say, I'm not a musicethnologist, but these are some of the things I can hear - I'd love to hear what other people can identify.
I think these are the things that ME music has adopted from western music - I'm personally not sure it's a good thing, but it's not my music! I just mourn the loss of those wonderfully complex and intricate tones and rhythms that people have had for so many generations, all in the space of about 100 years...
So I thought I'd take up the challenge and start looking at how non-Middle Eastern music has influenced ME music.
I'm not a musicethnologist, but I am a researcher and I've studied classical western music for a long time, so this is something I've pondered for a long time.
Firstly, there are some major differences between traditional or classical Arabic music and all western music
- the distinction between the primacy of melody in Arabic music and the inclusion of harmony in western music is the first one that comes to mind
- the maqamat that don't look at all like the scales that western music uses
- the rhythm and time signatures that are very different and more complex than most western music
What has happened is that Arabic musicians have gradually adopted western musical instruments - this has restricted the tones available within a maqam. So modern Arabic music sounds more like western music than early Arabic music simply because the tones are more similar (semi-tones rather than intermediate tones).
Some other things I've noticed is the role of amplification and recording styles.
Non-amplified or acoustic music sounds very different from amplified music. The bass tones, the tabla and dombek are much more prominent than in earlier recordings.
I can also hear simpler rhythms in many of the sha'abi songs and more modern pop songs - much more use of 4/4 timing, with tabla or dombek motifs over the top, but I don't think I've heard a 9 or 10 beat pop song ever!
As I say, I'm not a musicethnologist, but these are some of the things I can hear - I'd love to hear what other people can identify.
I think these are the things that ME music has adopted from western music - I'm personally not sure it's a good thing, but it's not my music! I just mourn the loss of those wonderfully complex and intricate tones and rhythms that people have had for so many generations, all in the space of about 100 years...