An interesting read

lizaj · 08-28-2009, 10:04 AM

Dancing for Dowries, Part 2: | Belly Dance News & Events

Thanks Andrea!

Sita · 08-28-2009, 10:05 PM

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Dancing for Dowries, Part 2: | Belly Dance News & Events

Thanks Andrea!

I also enjoyed it and thought the series was great! Thank you Andrea look forward to reading more

sita

Mosaic · 08-28-2009, 11:53 PM

Great articles, very well written. the works cited also offer further reading. I had heard the stories behind the coin belts etc, but didn't realise the Oulid Nail were also the Tribal dance ladies costume inspiration. I thought that inspiration came from many sources which included the Oulid Nail plus India, Tibet, Afghanistan etc. but the major influence was the Lambani nomadic people and Kuchi.

I also thank Andrea, and look forward to any further writings
~Mosaic

Andrea Deagon · 08-31-2009, 07:03 PM

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Great articles, very well written. the works cited also offer further reading. I had heard the stories behind the coin belts etc, but didn't realise the Oulid Nail were also the Tribal dance ladies costume inspiration. I thought that inspiration came from many sources which included the Oulid Nail plus India, Tibet, Afghanistan etc. but the major influence was the Lambani nomadic people and Kuchi.

I also thank Andrea, and look forward to any further writings
~Mosaic

Hi Mosaic -- I didn't mean to imply that they were the only influence behind the modern tribal belly dance look, or even the earlier look of the 1960's, just that the images of the Ouled Nail were particularly influential early in the 20th century and were probably more responsible than many other sources for the early fascination that led to the 1960's coin bra and belt. One thing that is endlessly fascinating to me is tracing the tribal affiliations of the jewelry etc. adapted to the theatrical "Oriental" looks of Western dancers from the 1890's on ...

Mosaic · 08-31-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrea Deagon

Hi Mosaic -- I didn't mean to imply that they were the only influence behind the modern tribal belly dance look, or even the earlier look of the 1960's, just that the images of the Ouled Nail were particularly influential early in the 20th century and were probably more responsible than many other sources for the early fascination that led to the 1960's coin bra and belt. One thing that is endlessly fascinating to me is tracing the tribal affiliations of the jewelry etc. adapted to the theatrical "Oriental" looks of Western dancers from the 1890's on ...

Hi Andrea, I understand that you mentioned the Ouled Nail ladies because of the coin belt idea filtering into BD costuming early in the peace, I was surprised (as in interested) to hear that they influenced the tribal look as well as the coin belt idea, because I had thought the main influence in costuming came from a variety of sources, but mainly from the Asian region. I haven't done any in depth research, just gathered snippets along the way, and of course that is no guarantee that what I have learned is absolutely correct. Sorry for any confusion in my comment. You know a lot more about the history than I do. Your articles were a great read and have expanded my knowledge considerably. I look forward to more of your writings
~Mosaic

Sita · 09-01-2009, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mosaic

Hi Andrea, I understand that you mentioned the Ouled Nail ladies because of the coin belt idea filtering into BD costuming early in the peace, I was surprised (as in interested) to hear that they influenced the tribal look as well as the coin belt idea, because I had thought the main influence in costuming came from a variety of sources, but mainly from the Asian region. I haven't done any in depth research, just gathered snippets along the way, and of course that is no guarantee that what I have learned is absolutely correct. Sorry for any confusion in my comment. You know a lot more about the history than I do. Your articles were a great read and have expanded my knowledge considerably. I look forward to more of your writings
~Mosaic

Actually I think this connection to Tribal dance and which groups they were inspired by is fascinating. I'd like to see research done into it. I know a little about the Kuchi, but the rest not a clue. For example what drew the original ATS to those particular tribes. I wonder if anyone here knows or maybe we'll have to wait for the future article

Sita

Mosaic · 09-01-2009, 04:03 AM

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Actually I think this connection to Tribal dance and which groups they were inspired by is fascinating. I'd like to see research done into it. I know a little about the Kuchi, but the rest not a clue. For example what drew the original ATS to those particular tribes. I wonder if anyone here knows or maybe we'll have to wait for the future article

Sita

I agree, it would be interesting to know the why's and wherefores. In the tribal costuming I see, the Nomadic Gypsy tribes of Rajasthan's influence in the big skirts and wonderful colours, the jewellery seems to come from many areas, quite a lot is Kuchi and various areas of India, The silver chunky look suits the tribal style ( mind you I am not a tribal dancer but love the silver chunky jewellery), but there is some lovely bedouin stuff as well. I also read that quite a lot comes from some place in Turkey, can't remember the name of the people though. But what I saw of that jewellery up for sale was very expensive, so I think it is quite rare. The turban idea for the head, seems to me to have a definite African influence. The flowers and hairfalls, Kuchi and Thai Hill-Tribes silver head jewellery seem to be the greatest influence now as far as head gear is concerned. I think maybe dancers like rachel brice bought that style into vogue. (I still love the multi coloured turbans with silver jewellery woven through).

Interesting small write up here about the rajasthani people: Note the pictures (small though) of the skirts and jewellery,
Gypsy of Rajasthan,Gypsies of Rajasthan India,Gypsy History Rajasthan,Gypsies in Rajasthan

I just found this website with snippets of info about various tribal folk and relationship costume wise to Tribal style dance, I haven't read everything, but maybe give some idea of where various items of costuming come from.

Afghan tribal dances: nomadic tribal bellydance
~Mosaic

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Mosaic Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne Australia, but a Kiwi Posts: 3,909	Great articles, very well written. the works cited also offer further reading. I had heard the stories behind the coin belts etc, but didn't realise the Oulid Nail were also the Tribal dance ladies costume inspiration. I thought that inspiration came from many sources which included the Oulid Nail plus India, Tibet, Afghanistan etc. but the major influence was the Lambani nomadic people and Kuchi. I also thank Andrea, and look forward to any further writings ~Mosaic __________________ When your soles rest on the floor and you balance your weight on both of them, then you can rest in yourself, you are in your centre. With every step, you renew contact and the connection to the earth, to matter, to Mater the Mother. ~ Rosina Fawzia Al - Rawi