How relevant is Egypt to Modern Belly Dance - Page 11

Dipali · 12-28-2006, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Tarik Sultan

Rodi with all due respect, you need to cool out with this. If you want to discuss religions and their impact on dance, there's a thread in the Sauna that was created especially for this topic. This statement you made has nothing to do with the topic being discussed in this thread.

I know I was harsh to you before, but I really would love to have you participate, but please, read carefully everthing that is being said and try to understand that the situation is a bit more complicated than what it seems. This forum is not only for voicing our opinions, but learning from each other as well. We are all friends here, please remember that and chose the way phrase your words carefully so that you do not hurt people's feelings or become misunderstood.

I am sure Bin Rodi is not angry at anybody. In the future we expect a lot of informative posts from him.

bin_rodi · 12-28-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by teela

I am sorry that this thread is moving off topic into an area it really does not need to go right now. In regard to the topic, I believe Egypt still plays a huge part in modern belly dance. If it did not, people would not being going to workshops where Egyptian dancers are teaching, going to Egypt to learn more or buying performance DVD's of Egyptian performers.

please read this:
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taheya · 12-28-2006, 02:14 PM

Urrrrmmm...back to original question....Amongst the dance community, Egypt is huge as far as bellydance is concerned. I feel it has a major part to play in belly dance and for me it is the motherland as far as bellydance goes as my favourite style is egyptian. What the general public feel maybe a different matter. Bin rodi, are you a dancer yourself? I dont know if ive ever seen you refer to your own dancing.
There are huge dance festivals that go on in egypt, major reputable dancers/ teachers are based there..fifi abdo, raqia hassan, lucy, Randa, tito, dina etc. Most of my dance colleagues would love to go to cairo for the experience of seeing the famous dancers, go shopping and experience the life in a place we all feel majorly contributes to the modern bellydance scene.
It may have diminished in popularity for the general public, but it is the place to go if you are a serious dancer!! Im sure that if you are egyptian and you love bellydance then you must feel that Egypt plays a major role in modern day dancing?

bin_rodi · 12-28-2006, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by taheya

Urrrrmmm...back to original question....Amongst the dance community, Egypt is huge as far as bellydance is concerned. I feel it has a major part to play in belly dance and for me it is the motherland as far as bellydance goes as my favourite style is egyptian. What the general public feel maybe a different matter. Bin rodi, are you a dancer yourself? I dont know if ive ever seen you refer to your own dancing.
There are huge dance festivals that go on in egypt, major reputable dancers/ teachers are based there..fifi abdo, raqia hassan, lucy, Randa, tito, dina etc. Most of my dance colleagues would love to go to cairo for the experience of seeing the famous dancers, go shopping and experience the life in a place we all feel majorly contributes to the modern bellydance scene.
It may have diminished in popularity for the general public, but it is the place to go if you are a serious dancer!! Im sure that if you are egyptian and you love bellydance then you must feel that Egypt plays a major role in modern day dancing?

iam not a dancer
i just like to watch belly dancing since i were a kid

i don't believe in male belly dancing , it's like a man put lip stick or a woman has a mustache
i believe that belly dancing is pure female thing
because it shows the beauty of the woman
but for man it never show his beauty, because man has another tools to show his beauty and belly dancing not one of this

that's what i believe honestly about male belly dancing

about Egypt and belly dancing taheya, i think belly dancing is dying in Egypt
the major role Egypt plays is backing off day after day for reasons i MENTIONED BEFORE

and honestly iam sad for this
all arts in Egypt and beautiful stuff is backing off because of "you know what"

and please again read the link i put about egypt, islam and belly dancing

taheya · 12-28-2006, 05:34 PM

I did read your link bin rodi. If you are in to egyptian style bellydance then egypt is still the cultural centre for the dance. I appreciate what you are saying about the unpopularity of the dance for some people but for people who have a special interest for the dance, it is still the palce to go!

Tarik Sultan · 12-28-2006, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bin_rodi

iam not a dancer
i just like to watch belly dancing since i were a kid

i don't believe in male belly dancing , it's like a man put lip stick or a woman has a mustache
i believe that belly dancing is pure female thing
because it shows the beauty of the woman
but for man it never show his beauty, because man has another tools to show his beauty and belly dancing not one of this

that's what i believe honestly about male belly dancing

Yes you are right, we men do have a tool to show our beauty and I use my beautiful tool very well...but not in public.

As a male dancer Egypt is very important for me. Going to Egypt and watching how the men dance showed me that I can do the same moves the women do and still look like a man, not like a man trying to be a woman.

Only time I wear lipstick is if the girl I'm kissing is wearing it, then we end up sharing it!

The form of Raks Sharki we see now was created in the 1930s and it was created with the specific intent of showing a western ideal of feminine beauty, but is that all there is to Egyptian dance? No. The fact is that Raks sharki is based on the folk dance tradition of Raks Baladi, which is the universal dance of Egypt.

Raks Baladi is done by the ordinary people women, children, young and old and also MEN! What type of dancing do men in Egypt do, RAKS BALADI, in Cairo, in Said, in the desert. ALL OVER EGYPT THE MEN ARE DOING THE SAME BASIC MOVEMENTS THAT THE WOMEN DO. They just don't do it on stage because its considered a woman's job.

There is only one guy in all of Egypt who has the balls to do what almost every guy knows how to do TITO, and while you may not find a man belly dancing beautiful, BOY LEMME TELL YOU THE WOMEN CERTAINLY DO!

All of these clips are proof that what I am saying is the truth. Watch all of them and you will see the truth about how men dance in Egypt.

YouTube - Man and woman Oriental dancing, (belly dancing) in Giza

YouTube - el3nab

YouTube - Guys Oriental Dancing,(belly dancing) on the Nile

YouTube - dance arabic belly men cairo

YouTube - Learn how to dance Egyptian Style

YouTube - Mahsoub Male Oriental/belly Dancer in Luxor Egypt

YouTube - Matruh Group at the Ahlan wa Sahlan Festival 2006

YouTube - Tito Egypt's male Oriental/belly Dancer I saved the best for last TITO!

ALL WE GUYS ARE DOING IS PUTTING WHAT OUR SISTERS DID BEFORE US. WE TOOK THE BASIC FOLK DANCE, RAKS BALADI, AND MADE IT MORE THEATRICAL TO PUT IT ON STAGE. If men and women dance raks baladi, then what sense does it make that women can perform the dance but men can't. The answer to this question gives another reason why the professional dance is in a state of decline in Egypt.

Aniseteph · 12-28-2006, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarik Sultan

... and while you may not find a man belly dancing beautiful, BOY LEMME TELL YOU THE WOMEN CERTAINLY DO!

YES!!!!

bin_rodi · 12-28-2006, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Aniseteph

YES!!!!

i still can not recognize your photo avatar
a UFO??
or kinda of puppets ??
any way i think it's something cool

Rebecca_ · 12-28-2006, 11:58 PM

Tarik, thanks for showing us those videos! I'm bookmarking some of them, the second one and the video of Tito were especially great!

Kharmine · 12-29-2006, 06:58 AM

Re: The original question posted.

Throughout the history of the world, societies tend to revive "lost" arts and traditions when a new generation decides heritage is cool again. You see it when people become dissatisfied with the spirit of the current age and look for something more interesting, more comforting, more 'spiritual," more "authentic." They tend to reject "foreign" and "modern" influences and reach back to the "good old days" of their grandparents and great-grandparents.

For instance, during the United States' hedonistic "Jazz Age" of the 1920s, there was a surge of nostalgic interest in the colonial days of the 17th century. During the same period that gave us Art Deco and speakeasies, thousands of people were furnishing their houses with stuff that was supposed to look like it came over on the Mayflower, taking up needlepoint and reviving quilting.

Which is why I have no doubt that someday younger Egyptians are going to override the attitudes of their elders and reclaim their folk dances in a big way.

12-29-2006, 06:58 AM	#110 (permalink)
Kharmine V.I.P. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Foot of the Rocky Mountains Posts: 1,755	Re: The original question posted. Throughout the history of the world, societies tend to revive "lost" arts and traditions when a new generation decides heritage is cool again. You see it when people become dissatisfied with the spirit of the current age and look for something more interesting, more comforting, more 'spiritual," more "authentic." They tend to reject "foreign" and "modern" influences and reach back to the "good old days" of their grandparents and great-grandparents. For instance, during the United States' hedonistic "Jazz Age" of the 1920s, there was a surge of nostalgic interest in the colonial days of the 17th century. During the same period that gave us Art Deco and speakeasies, thousands of people were furnishing their houses with stuff that was supposed to look like it came over on the Mayflower, taking up needlepoint and reviving quilting. Which is why I have no doubt that someday younger Egyptians are going to override the attitudes of their elders and reclaim their folk dances in a big way. __________________ What if the hokey pokey is really what it's all about?

12-28-2006, 02:14 PM	#103 (permalink)
taheya Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: uk Posts: 572	Urrrrmmm...back to original question....Amongst the dance community, Egypt is huge as far as bellydance is concerned. I feel it has a major part to play in belly dance and for me it is the motherland as far as bellydance goes as my favourite style is egyptian. What the general public feel maybe a different matter. Bin rodi, are you a dancer yourself? I dont know if ive ever seen you refer to your own dancing. There are huge dance festivals that go on in egypt, major reputable dancers/ teachers are based there..fifi abdo, raqia hassan, lucy, Randa, tito, dina etc. Most of my dance colleagues would love to go to cairo for the experience of seeing the famous dancers, go shopping and experience the life in a place we all feel majorly contributes to the modern bellydance scene. It may have diminished in popularity for the general public, but it is the place to go if you are a serious dancer!! Im sure that if you are egyptian and you love bellydance then you must feel that Egypt plays a major role in modern day dancing?

12-28-2006, 05:34 PM	#105 (permalink)
taheya Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: uk Posts: 572	I did read your link bin rodi. If you are in to egyptian style bellydance then egypt is still the cultural centre for the dance. I appreciate what you are saying about the unpopularity of the dance for some people but for people who have a special interest for the dance, it is still the palce to go!

12-28-2006, 11:58 PM	#109 (permalink)
Rebecca_ Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: on my futon Posts: 106	Tarik, thanks for showing us those videos! I'm bookmarking some of them, the second one and the video of Tito were especially great!