Belly Dance Forum


Belly Dance Store

Go Back   Belly Dance Forums > Dance from, and inspired by, the Near and Middle East > Other Dance Stuff

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 12-24-2007, 12:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
V.I.P.
 
Aniseteph's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Sussex, England
Posts: 1,687
Reputation: 89
Roll  Eyes Anyone else seen Vanity Fair?

Just been watching the recent film version of Vanity Fair, enjoying it in a not-as-good-as-the-book but suitably lavish to look at and has it's moments kind of way, when...


...imagine my surprise when at a pivotal moment where Becky Sharp is about to shock 19th century London high society, the authentic period tones of Hakim's Essalaamu Aleikum burst on to the soundtrack. WTF??!!! (and she does some belly dance-ish thing with a bunch of other society types, but frankly I was too busy LMAO to notice much).

OK I am not expecting 100% historical accuracy from a big budget movie, but they lost the plot there for me. Perhaps the director was having a Moulin Rouge day and wanted to chuck in something incongruous - mission accomplished. Glad I didn't go to the cinema to see it, I'd have been spluttering popcorn everywhere.

<deep breath and relax>... Just wanted to share.
Aniseteph is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2007, 12:26 AM   #2 (permalink)
V.I.P.
 
Sara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Wales/Yorkshire
Posts: 1,160
Reputation: 40
Default

I just sin it now! I loved it and I well can't believe what her and her hsband split up, and then she never got her son back! He was well fit n all! It made me sad.

I was like When the dancing came on. It wasn't that good and I was shouting bout the music played, but my fam dint really care. It was a very lavish colourful film, but I've re-created the ending in my head.

Becky and Crawley stayed together and lived in the countryside with his family. Amelia and General whatever got together. I refuse to accept that ending.
__________________
With a little bit of this and a little bit of that, now shake your bum.... :P
Sara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2007, 09:22 AM   #3 (permalink)
Moderator
 
lizaj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 1,240
Reputation: 72
Default

Didn't you realise Hakim was top of the late 18/early 19th century pops. tsch..tsch...?
The bit about the ladies learning "oriental dance" is in there but yes why did they choose Hakim? To be fair I suppose we haven't a clue what the music might have been like..Turkish wise but I am sure a bit of Handel might have fitted snaky moves.
My first teacher was hired to be one of those dancers in the TV version of a few years ago.
lizaj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2007, 10:01 AM   #4 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Paris/London
Posts: 50
Reputation: 10
Default

I knew before watching the film so I wasn't surprised but it's true that it is a bit odd...At the same time, no recording or written arabic music exist from that time, do they ?
Bellydeluxe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2007, 11:42 AM   #5 (permalink)
V.I.P.
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Europe - London
Posts: 1,227
Reputation: 52
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bellydeluxe View Post
I knew before watching the film so I wasn't surprised but it's true that it is a bit odd...At the same time, no recording or written arabic music exist from that time, do they ?
A huge amount of Arabic music exists in manuscript form from this time and back to the beginnings of Islam!

My teacher phoned me last night after she'd caught the dance scene in Vanity Fair on TV by accident, I was unaware of it before. To judge by the Internet Movie Database, the choreographers for this film are two Indians who usually choreograph for Bollywood films and the dancers aren't belly dancers.

There's a good critique here from an Anthropology Professor: hawgblawg: Hakim in "Vanity Fair"
Suheir is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2007, 12:40 PM   #6 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Paris/London
Posts: 50
Reputation: 10
Default

Thanks for the info !
But I didn't express myself properly...I didn't mean classical or religious music but pop songs (ie songs sang by the people in their countryside)

I don't think the directors intended to recreate something authentic

It's more into the energy and the spectacular... and maybe they like Hakim so much that they wanted to include his music in the film ...???

Last edited by Bellydeluxe; 12-24-2007 at 12:45 PM. Reason: forgot to write something !
Bellydeluxe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2007, 12:49 PM   #7 (permalink)
V.I.P.
 
Moon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: the Netherlands
Posts: 3,627
Reputation: 114
Send a message via MSN to Moon
Default

I haven't seen the film, looked it up on youtube


(Spanish version)

And OMG that is really bad! I'm glad I didn't see it, it would have spoiled it completely for me. This seen does not belong in a film about the 19th century!
Moon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2007, 01:46 PM   #8 (permalink)
V.I.P.
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Europe - London
Posts: 1,227
Reputation: 52
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Moon View Post
I haven't seen the film, looked it up on youtube


(Spanish version)

And OMG that is really bad! I'm glad I didn't see it, it would have spoiled it completely for me. This seen does not belong in a film about the 19th century!
The correct response from that audience would be to scream with horror and summon a Peeler to have all those lewd females arrested.
Suheir is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2007, 01:57 PM   #9 (permalink)
Member
 
Babylonia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: South Florida
Posts: 402
Reputation: 26
Default

I hate these anachronistic musical sequences that seem to be very popular these days.
Babylonia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2007, 05:38 PM   #10 (permalink)
Moderator
 
lizaj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 1,240
Reputation: 72
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Suheir View Post
A huge amount of Arabic music exists in manuscript form from this time and back to the beginnings of Islam!

My teacher phoned me last night after she'd caught the dance scene in Vanity Fair on TV by accident, I was unaware of it before. To judge by the Internet Movie Database, the choreographers for this film are two Indians who usually choreograph for Bollywood films and the dancers aren't belly dancers.

There's a good critique here from an Anthropology Professor: hawgblawg: Hakim in "Vanity Fair"
I think the women were supposed to have learnt to dance in Turkey but would they necessarily have used Turkish musicians at the time or had Western players playing what they thought was appropriate music. It isn't an important part of the book nor of the film so I suppose the producers just shrugged and went for the bizarre choice they did!
lizaj is offline   Reply With Quote
Our Sponsor
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT. The time now is 03:26 PM.

Belly Dance Store | Belly Dance Classes | Oriental Dancer.net - Belly Dance Hub
International Talent Agency "Rising Stars" - Dancers, Musicians, Circus Acts, Other Acts.

SEO by vBSEO 3.1.0