Dogs Deserve Better

Aziyade · 02-22-2008, 08:53 PM

Dogs Deserve Better Doogie: No Chained Dogs

Please take a look at this. I'm interested in what you all think.

maariku · 02-23-2008, 08:00 AM

Wow, I admire that lady. Not only does she seem to have a heart of gold, she also firmly stands up for what she believes in. I hope all works out well for her, she doesn't deserve to be punished. I am wondering however, if the state has any kind of animal protection laws that she could have justified her activities with? I didn't read all the text, but I guess she just went "procedurally" wrong and that is why they got her.

It is so sad that such things keep happening to animals. People just don't value life. Every now and then we also keep hearing about someone being cruel to animals - sometimes it is even as extreme as starving a whole cattle to death. I feel our legislation is not fully developed in that sense yet, the punishments, if any are sentenced, are too mild. But at least our media has enough sense and they always make a huge issue out of every case. I soo hope it will gradually change the way people think.

Lydia dubai · 02-23-2008, 08:02 AM

If i was living there,i would spend the rest of my life in jail!! i can not see the suffering from annimals...perhaps we can make a petition against the creeps that want her in jail.....

KuteNurse · 02-23-2008, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lydia dubai

If i was living there,i would spend the rest of my life in jail!! i can not see the suffering from annimals...perhaps we can make a petition against the creeps that want her in jail.....

I am right there with you Lydia. Maybe we can share a cell. lol I also love animals and I have a hard time with animal cruelty. I absolutely adore my golden retriever, he is the most spoiled dog in teh world! I also love my cat who is a total little cushion!

KuteNurse · 02-23-2008, 10:51 PM

Duluth News Tribune

Read this article. It is about a pony who was left outside in bitter cold conditions to die. The pony was found malnourished and frost bitten and unable to stand. The vet wanted to put the pony to sleep, but the new owners fought it and are taking care of it and it sounds like he is doing much better. They named him Windchill. WHat a great story about caring people to take care of an abused animal.

Aziyade · 02-25-2008, 04:29 PM

We have had dozens of animal cruelty stories in the news for our region. It's crazy. Puppy mills, horses, people shooting cats with arrows -- the thing is, our newspaper is full of letters to the editor saying something like "It's just a cat. Get over it. People are dying and nobody cares."

That's an idiotic attitude to have. OF COURSE people care that other people are starving, dying, cold, without medical insurance, etc. But apart from donating money and blankets, there's not a lot we can do about pediatric AIDS or HMOs that won't pay for operations. We CAN, however, take in a stray dog or cat (or pony.)

I fail to see how having a blase attitude about animal life means I somehow care MORE about human life. I found it extremely offensive that the judge ordered her to do community service to make her realize "people are animals too." Somehow I'm sure there are millions of dollars and manhours devoted to human causes, and not THAT much for animals.

gisela · 02-25-2008, 06:07 PM

IMO caring is not a limited ressource. Eg if you care for a pet then you don't have any "caring" left for you grandmother, that's stupid

! In my experience, those who care for animals are also more caring towards humans as they tend to be generally good, kind and loving people. That story was saddening. I can't believe they didn't punish the dog-abuser-couple! They should go to jail or pay a huge fine and be blacklisted as dog owners.

jen28 · 02-27-2008, 07:43 PM

Heh.

I work in animal rescue and this doesn't surprise me one bit. This kind of attitude is way too prevalent and unfortunately the law does not often favor animal welfare. Drives me crazy.

I especially loved this:

"She also states that Grimes did not meet other 'rescue etiquette', such as 1. Attempting to negotiate with the owner, (who was not home and thereby not available to negotiate with. Considering that the dog had already lain on the ground for three days, how much longer did the dog have to survive...this was the immediate and pressing question. When viewing the videotape, you can hear Grimes asking Mrs. Eicher if 'these people are home'...it was clearly her intention to talk to them if they were) 2. Offer to buy the dog from the owner (again, not home to make such an offer before death occurred) 3. Call the local authorities (Didn't Mrs. Eicher already DO that for three straight days? Wasn't Grimes her last hope to save the dog's life?)

So, apparently, if Grimes were operating as a 'proper rescue', by the time she did 1, 2, and 3 (which had already been done), the dog would have been dead for three weeks. Wow, gotta love that court of LAW!"

Rescue etiquette? Like we're supposed to be polite to people who abuse animals?!?!
1. How the heck is negotiating going to help? Asking someone to "please take care of your dog" isn't going to do anything except get a door slammed in your face. Or worse.
2. Paying the owner is just going to promote the problem
3. Local authorities often don't do anything. I can't even count the number of times I've called the authorities for animal neglect or abuse and they have never done anything except hang up on me. That doesn't happen all the time- some can be really great- but it happens a lot.

It's kinda interesting you posted this now because I've been thinking of taking in a cat that lives a couple blocks from me. It's owners leave it outside in the freezing cold, it's thin as a rail, and whenever it sees me it runs over and starts meowing its little head off. Plus it's not the greatest area and I'm terrified some jerk who's overcompensating will try to kill it or run it over. Hopefully this won't happen to me....

KuteNurse · 02-28-2008, 05:23 AM

I agree. I think animal cruelty should have better laws governing it and people should have consequences for their actions. The Windchill story still breaks my heart when I see the picture of him so malnourished and laying down. He has a long ways to go before he is out of the woods. I love animals so much, sometimes I wish I would have gone to vetrinary school.

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Originally Posted by Aziyade

We have had dozens of animal cruelty stories in the news for our region. It's crazy. Puppy mills, horses, people shooting cats with arrows -- the thing is, our newspaper is full of letters to the editor saying something like "It's just a cat. Get over it. People are dying and nobody cares."

That's an idiotic attitude to have. OF COURSE people care that other people are starving, dying, cold, without medical insurance, etc. But apart from donating money and blankets, there's not a lot we can do about pediatric AIDS or HMOs that won't pay for operations. We CAN, however, take in a stray dog or cat (or pony.)

I fail to see how having a blase attitude about animal life means I somehow care MORE about human life. I found it extremely offensive that the judge ordered her to do community service to make her realize "people are animals too." Somehow I'm sure there are millions of dollars and manhours devoted to human causes, and not THAT much for animals.

Lydia dubai · 02-28-2008, 06:44 AM

Hi Jen,please go and get the cat.....who knows its working and nobody will see you taking it home...if they come to take it back it gives you a good change to talk to them...if not we have 1 more happy pussycat in this crazy world...goodluck to you and have a great day, Lydia

02-22-2008, 08:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
Aziyade V.I.P. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cornfields of Evansville Indiana. Posts: 1,050	Dogs Deserve Better Dogs Deserve Better Doogie: No Chained Dogs Please take a look at this. I'm interested in what you all think.

02-23-2008, 08:00 AM	#2 (permalink)
maariku Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Estonia Posts: 1,146	Wow, I admire that lady. Not only does she seem to have a heart of gold, she also firmly stands up for what she believes in. I hope all works out well for her, she doesn't deserve to be punished. I am wondering however, if the state has any kind of animal protection laws that she could have justified her activities with? I didn't read all the text, but I guess she just went "procedurally" wrong and that is why they got her. It is so sad that such things keep happening to animals. People just don't value life. Every now and then we also keep hearing about someone being cruel to animals - sometimes it is even as extreme as starving a whole cattle to death. I feel our legislation is not fully developed in that sense yet, the punishments, if any are sentenced, are too mild. But at least our media has enough sense and they always make a huge issue out of every case. I soo hope it will gradually change the way people think. __________________ "[A good bellydancer] must express life, death, happiness, sorrow, love and anger, but above all she must have dignity." -Tahia Carioca,

02-25-2008, 06:07 PM	#7 (permalink)
gisela Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 928	IMO caring is not a limited ressource. Eg if you care for a pet then you don't have any "caring" left for you grandmother, that's stupid ! In my experience, those who care for animals are also more caring towards humans as they tend to be generally good, kind and loving people. That story was saddening. I can't believe they didn't punish the dog-abuser-couple! They should go to jail or pay a huge fine and be blacklisted as dog owners. __________________ You need chaos in your soul to create a dancing star-nietzsche Last edited by gisela; 02-25-2008 at 06:10 PM.

02-23-2008, 08:02 AM	#3 (permalink)
Lydia dubai V.I.P. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dubai United arab emirates Posts: 1,338	If i was living there,i would spend the rest of my life in jail!! i can not see the suffering from annimals...perhaps we can make a petition against the creeps that want her in jail.....

02-23-2008, 10:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
KuteNurse V.I.P. Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Duluth, Minnesota Posts: 2,969	Duluth News Tribune Read this article. It is about a pony who was left outside in bitter cold conditions to die. The pony was found malnourished and frost bitten and unable to stand. The vet wanted to put the pony to sleep, but the new owners fought it and are taking care of it and it sounds like he is doing much better. They named him Windchill. WHat a great story about caring people to take care of an abused animal.

02-25-2008, 04:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
Aziyade V.I.P. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cornfields of Evansville Indiana. Posts: 1,050	We have had dozens of animal cruelty stories in the news for our region. It's crazy. Puppy mills, horses, people shooting cats with arrows -- the thing is, our newspaper is full of letters to the editor saying something like "It's just a cat. Get over it. People are dying and nobody cares." That's an idiotic attitude to have. OF COURSE people care that other people are starving, dying, cold, without medical insurance, etc. But apart from donating money and blankets, there's not a lot we can do about pediatric AIDS or HMOs that won't pay for operations. We CAN, however, take in a stray dog or cat (or pony.) I fail to see how having a blase attitude about animal life means I somehow care MORE about human life. I found it extremely offensive that the judge ordered her to do community service to make her realize "people are animals too." Somehow I'm sure there are millions of dollars and manhours devoted to human causes, and not THAT much for animals.

02-27-2008, 07:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
jen28 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 30	Heh. I work in animal rescue and this doesn't surprise me one bit. This kind of attitude is way too prevalent and unfortunately the law does not often favor animal welfare. Drives me crazy. I especially loved this: "She also states that Grimes did not meet other 'rescue etiquette', such as 1. Attempting to negotiate with the owner, (who was not home and thereby not available to negotiate with. Considering that the dog had already lain on the ground for three days, how much longer did the dog have to survive...this was the immediate and pressing question. When viewing the videotape, you can hear Grimes asking Mrs. Eicher if 'these people are home'...it was clearly her intention to talk to them if they were) 2. Offer to buy the dog from the owner (again, not home to make such an offer before death occurred) 3. Call the local authorities (Didn't Mrs. Eicher already DO that for three straight days? Wasn't Grimes her last hope to save the dog's life?) So, apparently, if Grimes were operating as a 'proper rescue', by the time she did 1, 2, and 3 (which had already been done), the dog would have been dead for three weeks. Wow, gotta love that court of LAW!" Rescue etiquette? Like we're supposed to be polite to people who abuse animals?!?! 1. How the heck is negotiating going to help? Asking someone to "please take care of your dog" isn't going to do anything except get a door slammed in your face. Or worse. 2. Paying the owner is just going to promote the problem 3. Local authorities often don't do anything. I can't even count the number of times I've called the authorities for animal neglect or abuse and they have never done anything except hang up on me. That doesn't happen all the time- some can be really great- but it happens a lot. It's kinda interesting you posted this now because I've been thinking of taking in a cat that lives a couple blocks from me. It's owners leave it outside in the freezing cold, it's thin as a rail, and whenever it sees me it runs over and starts meowing its little head off. Plus it's not the greatest area and I'm terrified some jerk who's overcompensating will try to kill it or run it over. Hopefully this won't happen to me....

02-28-2008, 06:44 AM	#10 (permalink)
Lydia dubai V.I.P. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dubai United arab emirates Posts: 1,338	Hi Jen,please go and get the cat.....who knows its working and nobody will see you taking it home...if they come to take it back it gives you a good change to talk to them...if not we have 1 more happy pussycat in this crazy world...goodluck to you and have a great day, Lydia