Om or Um Kalthoum? - Page 2

Kashmir · 12-04-2007, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by LeylaLanty

As far as I know no Egyptian or other Arabic dancer performs to Om Kalthoum's actual voice recordings. They prefer to dance to the musical versions of her songs. They might, however, dance to her songs if they are sung by another singer - but almost always they use the musicals. There is such reverence for her and her musical legacy, her influence on Egypt, and her memory, that no one would try to do an oriental dance performance while she herself is singing.

Except Souheir Zaki?

samsied · 12-04-2007, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by LeylaLanty

As far as I know no Egyptian or other Arabic dancer performs to Om Kalthoum's actual voice recordings. They prefer to dance to the musical versions of her songs. They might, however, dance to her songs if they are sung by another singer - but almost always they use the musicals. There is such reverence for her and her musical legacy, her influence on Egypt, and her memory, that no one would try to do an oriental dance performance while she herself is singing.

I've heard this before, but always wondered how true it is? I thought I saw a film where OK's character is playing a bride and is singing during her wedding and a belly dancer in a *very* sheer skirt is dancing while she sings. Is it different because of the context of the film-- OK singing as a character? The film was called "Fatma" and a clip from it is used on "The Legends of Bellydance" dvd.

summerdance · 12-04-2007, 12:39 AM

Yes Lydia. We should call her Um Masr. She really was the lady of Arab song. She did, however get married later in her life. She married a doctor and remained with him until she died in 75.

It is extremely bad form to dance while she is singing. The audience will literally revolt and either shout or actually walk out.

No one really tries to sing her songs. There are many great instrumental tributes to her. My favorite is done by the Zamelek Orchestra.

There is a great story about her: At this time, Egypt was still controlled by the British and She developed a thyroid condition which was causing her to go blind. No doctor in Egypt would operate for fear it would damage her voice. Umm Kulthum was forced to go to the UK for surgery and after she arrived, a decision was handed down that no surgeon in the UK was to touch her. The quote was" The Egyptians may tolerate our control of their country, but the whole country would rise up in arms were we to destroy Umm Kulthum's voice. "

LeylaLanty · 12-04-2007, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kashmir

Except Souheir Zaki?

As far as I know (if someone knows for sure, please correct me), until Soheir Zaki danced to Om Kalthoum's music, no dancer had ever performed live to anything which had been sung by Om Kalthoum, not even "just the music". Also as far as I know, Soheir danced to a musical arrangement of am Om Kalthoum song (Inta Omri?), not while Om Kalthoum sang.

The performance by a dancer while Om Kalthoum sings in a movie would be an exception and was most likely acceptable because of the context of the scene in the movie and the part Om Kalthoum was playing.

Souzan · 12-04-2007, 06:17 PM

Nancy Ajram has actually covered some of her songs. And there is a music video featuring her doing so on You Tube. She was very respectful and did lovely job.

Souzan

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Originally Posted by summerdance

Yes Lydia. We should call her Um Masr. She really was the lady of Arab song. She did, however get married later in her life. She married a doctor and remained with him until she died in 75.

It is extremely bad form to dance while she is singing. The audience will literally revolt and either shout or actually walk out.

No one really tries to sing her songs. There are many great instrumental tributes to her. My favorite is done by the Zamelek Orchestra.

There is a great story about her: At this time, Egypt was still controlled by the British and She developed a thyroid condition which was causing her to go blind. No doctor in Egypt would operate for fear it would damage her voice. Umm Kulthum was forced to go to the UK for surgery and after she arrived, a decision was handed down that no surgeon in the UK was to touch her. The quote was" The Egyptians may tolerate our control of their country, but the whole country would rise up in arms were we to destroy Umm Kulthum's voice. "

Violeetsidhe · 12-04-2007, 07:45 PM

YouTube - Gypsy Belly Dance w/ Tambourine by Viktoriya Bellydance

i love this video well the music anyone know what album it is on
the piece is called Ana Fi'ntitharac(i think that is spelt right)

samsied · 12-06-2007, 05:27 PM

Thanks Leyla,

I was just about to ask about Soheir Zaki's famous performance.

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Originally Posted by LeylaLanty

As far as I know (if someone knows for sure, please correct me), until Soheir Zaki danced to Om Kalthoum's music, no dancer had ever performed live to anything which had been sung by Om Kalthoum, not even "just the music". Also as far as I know, Soheir danced to a musical arrangement of am Om Kalthoum song (Inta Omri?), not while Om Kalthoum sang.

The performance by a dancer while Om Kalthoum sings in a movie would be an exception and was most likely acceptable because of the context of the scene in the movie and the part Om Kalthoum was playing.

12-04-2007, 12:39 AM	#13 (permalink)
summerdance Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 65	Umm Kulthum Yes Lydia. We should call her Um Masr. She really was the lady of Arab song. She did, however get married later in her life. She married a doctor and remained with him until she died in 75. It is extremely bad form to dance while she is singing. The audience will literally revolt and either shout or actually walk out. No one really tries to sing her songs. There are many great instrumental tributes to her. My favorite is done by the Zamelek Orchestra. There is a great story about her: At this time, Egypt was still controlled by the British and She developed a thyroid condition which was causing her to go blind. No doctor in Egypt would operate for fear it would damage her voice. Umm Kulthum was forced to go to the UK for surgery and after she arrived, a decision was handed down that no surgeon in the UK was to touch her. The quote was" The Egyptians may tolerate our control of their country, but the whole country would rise up in arms were we to destroy Umm Kulthum's voice. "

12-04-2007, 07:45 PM	#16 (permalink)
Violeetsidhe Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 53	YouTube - Gypsy Belly Dance w/ Tambourine by Viktoriya Bellydance i love this video well the music anyone know what album it is on the piece is called Ana Fi'ntitharac(i think that is spelt right)