Aniseteph

I LOVE that clip of Ilil, just beautiful. I wanna do THAT! <sigh>

AngelaJP

She is mesmerizing! Totally relaxed, so natural, sensuously and happily expressed the music and just utterly graceful.

I don't know how many lifetimes after will I be able to dance like her

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Pirika Repun

Oh, honey you will. Believe me, if you enjoy the music and feel the music to express your emotion and feeling, you dance like her or anybody truly enjoys the dance.

For me, dance is not technique or how good you are, but how you love and enjoy the music and express the feeling with it. If you enjoy yourself it doesn’t matter how good you are or bad you are. If technically great the dance is, but no express emotion, it’s boring and dead to me. However, some one just enjoys the music and has fun even off the rhythm, it’s better than no emotion, no fun!

masrawy

To Tarik and the rest of th gang

I find it all so difficult to go through this thread too I don't remember now the I wanted to respond to your page back. But anyway
the clip you post it for Saad el Sagher and dina is more of a creative license the artists gets by being fames. And the way I see most of his work is more of a comedy than anything else.









The other clip for the Egyptian woman dancer I think it's a good example of somebody who was able connect the dot .... and I might add this piece is not choreographed and most probably why it looks right ..... and that's the way it should be.
Now for the male been accepted an all that Bla Bla Bla ( C..p) The few males that have their hearts bent out of shape about it they have to come to grip with the reality. When a female step into the stage, she owns it is giving by the audience. But when the man step on the stage, there is a suspicious and eyebrows lift, he has to prove himself on the stage. Pretty much the way you describe how you handled yourself on the stage. Yeah $20 is cheap
Zorba ..... get your eyebrows down, take a breath and go have some lemonade, it's on me this time

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Tarik Sultan

Yes Saad is also a comedian, but that does not negate the validity of his dancing skills. Believe me, I've seen him in concert and he dances for real, not for joke like Rico does. His movements reflect the reality of what you see Baladi guys doing who can dance.

This guy isn't an artist, but he was expressing the same qualities that Saad was in that clip. SENSUALITY and relaxed confidence. Neither he nor Saad looks anything other than a man when they dance. Saad is only reflecting what you find in the streets. The difference is that 15yrs ago no guy would have had the courage to do that on stage in Egypt. They all just stood there like they had a steel pole rammed up their asses. Now the guys are being real, THEY ARE BEING EGYPTIANS instead of trying to look like Europeans with hemorrhoids!



The sensuality and confidence that these guys move with is what guys should bring to the stage and THAT is the point.

Now as far as the comment you made about the stage. This is 100% correct. Women are given automatic validity to be on it. A guy has to earn it. And this is why we have to come correct or not come at all. For any guy going to do this, you have to have a pair of real balls in your pants! Not a pair of shriveled raisins or a bouquet of roses. You have to have some heart, because someone eventually will challenge you. Like one time I was dancing at a street fair and some guy yells out "DON'T NO BODY WANT TO SEE YOU ONLY A WOMAN SUPPOSE TO DO THAT"! My response: MOTHA FU**ER YOU SEE A WOMAN UP HERE? EVERY BODY YOU HAVING A GOOD TIME? YEAAAH! ADIES YOU HAVING A GOOD TIME? Yeeeeah. THEN MOTHA FU**A SHUT THE HELL UP! The audience loved it. You have to be strong to do this. The second you come across all weak and whimpy, they'll be on you like a dog on raw meat. So yes, I know I have to prove myself every time I get out there. I see the raised eyebrows, but by the time I finish, they're calling me back for more, and that's what's important, because that means they had a good time. And if the had a good time, I've done my job and earned my money!

kayshier

and this is what i have been trying to understand from the beginning when i started to learn ME dance.

it began to worry me a great deal if i would get anywhere near where I want to be or rather where i should be, given the complexities of what i began to read on the forum in various threads. it did begin to feel like a merry go round,
for me it bordered on disillusionment really. it seemed like such an unattainable goal, especially in an environment such as mine where there aren't that many learning options.

all i care about really is learning how to dance properly, absorbing myself in as many examples as i can get, studying and learning and hopefully one day being able to do the best that i can do.

masrawy

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Zorba

Eyebrows are down - 'cause you're quite correct. Doesn't make it "right", but that's the way it *is*...

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Zorba

Yes it does! Or the "masculine" essence for that matter. Another Tarik "quote for the ages" - couldn't agree more!

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Tarik Sultan

This is exactly the point I've been making for a very long time. And yes, it did worry me, but you know what? I realize that there is nothing I can do about it, and trying to do so will only burn up energy that I should be using to create and end up burning me out. There's all kinds of weird shit out there these days. And just when you thought you've seen it all the weird shit goes and has babies!

All I can do is dance from the purity of my soul and share with the world the beauty of Egyptian Oriental dance and show them the beauty that is there. I can help them to experience touching parts of their souls they were afraid to explore. I can share with them the beauty I see and feel and in doing so, I keep the dance alive and inspire them to go and explore the treasure chest that is Egyptian dance. There really is so much there that is unexplored.

I was just hanging with a buddy of mine and he played me a bit of Al Ghadan al Qak by Um Kalthoum. I'd never heard the full introduction before. Its magical! When I hear that it inspires me and I want to share that beauty with my students, my audience, with the world.

As for the sexuality thing. Look. Any guy who is a dancer, no matter what dance, is going to have to deal with the fact people will automatically assume you're gay. That is the stereotype. But you have to be bigger than that, just like Dina and every dancer has to be bigger than the sharmuta assumption. If you spend all your tim,e worrying that people think you spend half your life on your back, or that everyones thinking you take it up the ass your not going to have the energy left over to express the passion that is inside you. Whatever someone may be thinking is irrelevant. What is relevant is that you DANCER, express the truth of your authentic self. That is the ultimate truth. That is a spiritual energy that cuts through all the condition and dysfunction that society throws at us. When I see a guy or girl on a feluca or in a wedding in that zone, tarab, THAT is truth! And that is what the human soul responds to. If you do that, and they don't see it, feel it, they are DEAD! Walking corpses. And my mother always taught me that children shouldn't play with dead things.