Originally Posted by khanjar

Yes, a participant event, that is what I saw and brought me to post it here. Also, that is why I mentioned social dance, as that is what it appeared to me, people who can dance in a middle Eastern style and seem to be doing so regardless of the audience, they were doing it for themselves.

I mentioned Tarik's videos of men dancing in a middle eastern style in one of the country's of origin, they, the males dancing were doing so for themselves, not an audience. Now they may not be technically correct in the eyes of a 'professional', but so what, they were dancing for themselves and the fun of it, a reflection of the music they hear and the atmosphere they absorb. That to me is the attraction, the letting go and the expression of art through dance as a natural human ability.


Maybe it is a chicken and egg scenario, what came first, social dance or performance for a viewing other.

Originally Posted by khanjar

Yes, a participant event, that is what I saw and brought me to post it here. Also, that is why I mentioned social dance, as that is what it appeared to me, people who can dance in a middle Eastern style and seem to be doing so regardless of the audience, they were doing it for themselves.

You see, I am coming to dance for the reason of having fun, and what I saw in that video is much of what I seek, the ability to have dance fun with others, for myself and those whom I may come to dance with, their fun, that to me, being a social dance. Socialising via dance.

I do understand various peoples thought to pick holes in the video, but if everyone was honest, there is no perfect dancer or dancer enviroment, holes can be picked with everything. And why do we seem to seek a perfection, when in reality there can be no such thing as humans are not perfect, to be perfect, we might become more like an automaton devoid of the things that make us human. I like the foibles of human kind, the imperfection, it is a situation which we can if we desire improve, but perfect I do not wish to see. I wish to see human and a humans best attempt to interpret the things they do in the best way they can, their best is more than acceptable to me.

If one looks at the video, most were out or to the side of the camera, the focus being upon the lone male doing his thing and his unsavoury antics with those assembled to watch. He was out on his own, whereas the other male was doing his thing with the others. There one can see two different dance characters, perhaps an extrovert and a not so extrovert person. My interest was with the later, he who danced with the others, the females, thus indicating to me that this dance can be performed effectively by both sexes, the two, male and female, their movement different, compliment each other.

Forgive me, if I appear wrong to many, but I do feel there is a lot of what can be described as a snobbery about dance, I understand the professional/amateur difference, but what one has to remember about professional, is that one does what they do for a living, it is no indication that they are the best that can be or better than an amateur, as is with the rest of us, in a job, we can be good or bad depending on ourselves and our interaction with our enviroment.

I mentioned Tarik's videos of men dancing in a middle eastern style in one of the country's of origin, they, the males dancing were doing so for themselves, not an audience. Now they may not be technically correct in the eyes of a 'professional', but so what, they were dancing for themselves and the fun of it, a reflection of the music they hear and the atmosphere they absorb. That to me is the attraction, the letting go and the expression of art through dance as a natural human ability.

What happened inthe video, was perhaps aimed at entertainment, but the dancers became caught up in their dance enjoyment and it reverted to a self interest, their enjoyment regardless of who is watching. That to me is good, if it is that, then it displays to me regardless of nationality and upbringing, the learning of a certain choreography become a natural expression of dance anywhere in the world, by any nationality.

Maybe it is a chicken and egg scenario, what came first, social dance or performance for a viewing other.

Originally Posted by Aniseteph

Oooh Masrawy! I very nearly spluttered tea all over the keyboard there... wow.

I didn't get "social dance" at all - looked to me like a troupe at an event improvising in front of an audience, not people spontaneously having fun dancing. If they had looked like they were having a great time maybe the response here might have been a bit more positive.

Aaargh, the zills, the zills....

Originally Posted by masrawy

I think the question that was asked by the original author ... what do others think ?
But when opinion was giving and he did not get the response he was looking for, Instead of just putting his argument his response was designed to doubt the honesty of the opinion was giving by others as well as accusation of snobbery.
So in light of that and the absent of delete my posts button please accept the new post.
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Thank you sooooo much for posting this clip .... OMG did you see that lady upfront when she covered her nose while he was assing her, instead of taking a good look at his beautiful asss .. that was sooooooo funny what did she think he was going to fart in her face or something , BTW was that CHBDFUION ? (Chippendale Belly Dance Fusion) also the music is soooooooo cool especially when every one pitched in with the sagat ..... I kick the chair off and danced all night long to the tune, sorry cannot get it out of my head until now.

PS I did not see the clip Tarik posted put this one is sooooo much better it has that social dance thing all over it
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I hope this is the kind of honesty the original author was looking for ....

Originally Posted by Caroline_afifi

I hope you had your breakfast first.

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