Twilight Spiral

I recently saw a belly dancer troupe a couple of days ago and well I fell in love with them. Now I love costumes and different outfits, I find it is very fun to play as come one different, male or female. So like I was saying, they troupe was at the Old English Fair we have, they are were enchanting and well I kind of bought a top and skirt...Hehe, I save up very year to go here.

Well, I showed my friends my outfit and they loved it, turns out I have a body that is wonderful for belly dancing...A "lithe frame" one called it. Well, it turns out that their is only one troupe within hours and it seems they are all women. So while I wait on a reply from them another problem arose.

I am a person who does not believe gender separation and well I looked all over the web for male belly dancers who do the skirt piece, but no one mentioned anything more. In all honesty I hate the tops males wear, they are just, I don't know. So I love the tops women wear, but the problem is how well that will go over.

I really want to learn this dance and preform for people, I love to make them smile. Alas, I can find no one one can talk to me about the jewelry, sashes, and tops. I have to say I am scared to learn to belly dance in the way I enjoy...Cross dressing doesn't go over well with so well with some people, I know from experience. I am really a wreck here and my family has been going through tough times we need to escape it.

I am scared I jumped the gun again, big time.

If anyones knows Pava and Andreana and their classes, can you tell me if it a female only?

Hehe, I'm sorry, I'm a wreck and listen to me, I am sorry. I am just a loss here.

Caroline_afifi

Hi There,

I think if you are feeling like a 'wreck' then you need to think this through in order to protect yourself.
Ask yourself a few questions..and be totally honest with yourself

What did you love the dance troupe?

How much of the attraction was the costumes like you mentioned? some, mostly, all?

The main thing is to understand why you want to do this dance and be clear about your intensions. This is the best advice I can give for avoiding any big headaches.

Read through lots of threads to see how people think about various topics.
At least you will understand the complexity of the dance and how passionate people are about it.

Aisha Azar

Dear Twilight Spiral,
I hear you talking a LOT about the costuming but very little about the dance.
First you should know that there is a great deal of difference between wearing the costume and being a dancer. They are two different things entirely. Wearing the costume takes little effort, whether you decide to dress as a male or a female. Being able to live up to what the costume promises is another thing all together. It means dedicating your time to becoming a dancer and that means you will spend your time taking classes, practicing at home, spending money on lessons, music props, being frustrated because you just can't get this or that move, trying to have a deeper understanding of what the dance really is and its meaning and purpose, countless hours reading in order to understand the cultures and peoples from whence the dance springs.... and that is just a small part of the picture of living the life of a dancer. The social aspects can be downright ugly both internally and externally. You have to have a pretty strong stomach in more ways than one to be a dancer!
I recently had a transvestite in my classes and she did well with the other dancers, but she really found out in the end that it was about learning how to move more like a woman than any other thing, not about the dance itself. She stayed in class for a year and then moved on to other things. She learned a lot about being a woman because she had the opportunity in an accepting environment, to be close up and personal with a group of us. In the end, she did not want to be a dancer, but we miss her because she was a Sweetheart.
You need to be prepared to know that even dancers are often not that socially acceptable in some circles, females and males have their own sets of problems on a social basis as well. If you want to really be a dancer and are not just enamored of what we wear, get in touch with Mark Balahadia, who has figured out ways to adapt the female costume the male body in some very effective ways.
Regards,
A'isha

da Sage

Hi Twilight Spiral,

A troupe is for people who already know how to belly dance. I hope you asked about getting lessons, not joining the troupe!

The costumes are great, and of course you can buy a few to wear at home or when you go out. I know some local men who make good $ in a dance show at the local club, some with exotic costumes. Learning to dance well will help you to look better in a belly dance costume, and put on a better show (whether public or private).

Men in belly dance class (straight, gay, fond-of-crossdressing, whatever!) usually wear t-shirts, shorts (of moderate length) or yoga/track pants with proper underwear, and a scarf tied to obscure their "package". I have also been in classes with a male who wears a skirt, but I generally feel that's not the best way to start out. Most of the women will be wearing long pants, so it's better to do the same.

If it is very important to you to wear full costume while learning dance, you may need to work at home with a video, or arrange private lessons. Just like ballet and modern dance, belly dance has "class dress" and "performance dress". If you want something belly-dancey for a group class, look into Melodia pants. They are very dramatic, and flattering to both sexes. But please do not start in class with a cropped top. I think it would just be too distracting for the beginner ladies (or maybe that's just me)! Save crop tops for later. You can chop your practice tee a little shorter if it obscures your hips.

Twilight Spiral

Caroline_afifi- The outfit isn't fancy or bright. It a a long flow maroon skirt with a ruby cop-top. I am still reading through thread and males don't have it as bad as I thought it would be.

The reason I want to dance is not only because of it's beauty but it's a way express myself in ways I never knew existed. I want to express my self and since my writing is limited only to words I want to expand it.

A'isha Azar- I realize when I posted I was more focus on my looks then the dance it self. I am a actor on the side and when the chance comes up and I know that dance is not something you can just learn, nor is singing. I am learning acting skills everyday and I will learn till the day I die and I know dance is the same; Belly Dance more then any.

I know this won't be easy, nothing ever is, but I am willing to try. If there is one thing I have learned it is that if we don't experiment we will never find our passion.

I do appreciate your concern and care, thank you.

da Sage- Haha, no, no, slow down. The troupe's leader is a teacher. She runs a studio with two others about 30 minutes from where I live. I read up on practice as well, my outfit would get in the way for a practice. I was referring to preforming for others. Sorry for the confusion.

Haha, no, I couldn't ware the top to every lesson, that would be just plain weird

Still, I wonder if this is right...I need to think.

Thank you to everyone, I will keep you posted on what I decide.

Twilight Spiral

I am going to do IT! I don't know what I was thinking, I have lived a life were live the way I like and do what I like, so why should these stupids concerns of what others may think about me belly dancing cloud my mind. I mean my parents are ok and more then anything they support it, expand my horizon.

I know it won't be easy, and like most it will become apart of my life and I will need to give up time to practice and learn...Umm, since teachers a limited at my current location are limited and there is the possibility that the teacher who is here can really only do private, which I don't have money for. The studio is preferred to be strictly female, which is understandable.

So umm, wow this feels weird. Does anyone have any recommended DVD instructional videos, for a start at least?

da Sage

Hi Twilight, congratulations on deciding to study the art of bellydance!

I like Jenna's Basics and Beyond Bellydance, The Art of the Drum Solo with Sonia and Issam, Rachel Brice's first DVD, and the warmup on East Coast Tribal (although the drills might be tricky for a beginner).

I wanted to post a wonderful male dancer video for you to watch, but I think he took it down because of costuming issues. I will edit to add it here if I find it again.

Mark_Balahadia

I make costuming for men by the way! Not your typical vest and harem pants look though

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jenc

Why nottry harem pants. Some people would be put off by male in skirt

Shanazel

Zorba wears skirts and I think he is just plain cool .