No hope - Page 6

Reen.Blom · 06-15-2008, 10:27 AM

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karena · 06-15-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by khanjar

There is another class I have found locally, an ATS class, but am wondering about it, maybe there, but am not that happy about learning something mixed with flamenco at the moment, and from what I have heard, they are a clenched fist, feminist group, so am not sure if I should rattle their cage with an email.

It is not as if they can refuse, because they practice within the art college and their policy is equal opportunities to all and this goes with whoever rents their space, one of the provisos, but I am sensitive and do not wish to feel ill thoughts.

But, I am finding I may well have to enquire, as I have got a friend interested now, a sort of person who will not take no for an answer, kind of militant in her late fifties age and will push me I know, as she did recently when I was going to quit my college course, she wouldn't let me and I just didn't need the earache, so I stayed.

I do like the ATS, particularly the solo drum stuff, but think I need to learn basics before delving into cross cultural stuff, what do others think ?

Depends on the individuals, but being a feminist does not mean you discriminate against men. It means you are aware and want to counter discrimination based on gender, which has historically been against women. Women who know how it feels to be discriminated against are likely to be aware of the impact of discrimination in general and therefore not do it themselves. Of course, it entirely depends on the women, they could want to see the end of men replaced by a sperm bank for all I know, but any such discrimination would not be because they are feminist, as much as some people would like to have you believe it.

And drums solos aren't exclusive to tribal, so you can relax on that bit.

khanjar · 06-16-2008, 04:06 AM

Thank you Karina, I have since found out the drum thing is not specific to tribal from this interesting website ;

Venus - Articles

Yes, you are quite right about possible feminists, I may as well give them a laugh too.I have now to email them, as I am under pressure, my friend being persistent and all that wants to try, but she won't go if I don't go and if I don't act on this, I know I won't hear the last of it

You have an interesting signature BTW

Reen.Blom · 06-16-2008, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by khanjar

Thank you Karina, I have since found out the drum thing is not specific to tribal from this interesting website ;

Venus - Articles

Yes, you are quite right about possible feminists, I may as well give them a laugh too.I have now to email them, as I am under pressure, my friend being persistent and all that wants to try, but she won't go if I don't go and if I don't act on this, I know I won't hear the last of it

You have an interesting signature BTW

I suppose it will not hurt to write to them! After all if after one class you feel bad vibe you can leave and continue searching, but also will sort of get a taste of Tribal.

Any group that is all female will feel cautious at first if they not used to having a male in class, but Im sure the ice will melt when you charm them with your personality!

Caroline_afifi · 06-16-2008, 07:34 PM

As this thread is aclled 'no hope' I thought this would fit here.

On Friday night at Raqs B, Ozgen who is a really nice guy and great entertainer performed his piece. Ok, he removed his tight shirt to reveal his bare midriff etc. but the women shrieked and wooped so much through his dance he had to signal to them to shush.

If this happend whilst a woman was dancing for an audience of men, everyone would be having a real go at the men and calling them for everything. Some women need to get a serious grip of themselves and stop whining about the behaviour of men whilst imitating them at their worst.

Eshta · 06-16-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Caroline_afifi

As this thread is aclled 'no hope' I thought this would fit here.

On Friday night at Raqs B, Ozgen who is a really nice guy and great entertainer performed his piece. Ok, he removed his tight shirt to reveal his bare midriff etc. but the women shrieked and wooped so much through his dance he had to signal to them to shush.

If this happend whilst a woman was dancing for an audience of men, everyone would be having a real go at the men and calling them for everything. Some women need to get a serious grip of themselves and stop whining about the behaviour of men whilst imitating them at their worst.

Caroline, quit it with the good points until I can rep you again!! No, don't really though!! This exact point absolutely riles me, & I find it really offputting.

Suheir · 06-16-2008, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Eshta

Caroline, quit it with the good points until I can rep you again!! No, don't really though!! This exact point absolutely riles me, & I find it really offputting.

Yep, me too. What are the bets on JimBoz coming out alive from the JWAAD Summer School?

taheya · 06-16-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Suheir

Yep, me too. What are the bets on JimBoz coming out alive from the JWAAD Summer School?

Not betting on that the odds are too low!!
I agree with you Caroline, Suheir and Eshta it is so emabarassing when the women go wild at the male dancers--iti s obvious that it is not only for their dancing skills either

khanjar · 06-17-2008, 01:11 AM

I suppose at the end of the day, be we male or female, we are all just humans and as natural humans we may act as what we are in various situations.

Perhaps it is the pack mentality, ever notice how a single male or single female is the most upstanding person when they are on their own, but given the security of numbers of their own sex, they can change, sometimes out of character, buoyed up with the security, comfort and familiarity they feel in numbers, add alcohol, then that can be a recipe for out of character behaviour if ever there was.

A lone female in a male enviroment, or a lone male in a female enviroment, it is just the same, women can be as bad as men and men can be as bad as women. A better situation would be equal or roughly equal representation of the sexes, then perhaps the art form being performed would be seen and not the sex.

More male dancers required then, the lack of, I see largely as men's fault and their insecurity about their masculinity. To you ladies when you see a male dancer, do you see femininity or masculinity, if it is the latter, please communicate this to males and there might be a change? As for a lot of males, their worst nightmare is for a woman not to see them as masculine and so masculine they must be, any hint of their action being in the slightest, feminine, they avoid. A vicious circle based largely on misunderstanding and misinformation, a failure of communication between the sexes.

Zorba · 06-17-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Caroline_afifi

On Friday night at Raqs B, Ozgen who is a really nice guy and great entertainer performed his piece. Ok, he removed his tight shirt to reveal his bare midriff etc. but the women shrieked and wooped so much through his dance he had to signal to them to shush.

I'm assuming he did this during his performance?

If so, I'd call him on it. This is, IMNSHO, a very tacky "stupid male trick" and has no place in our danceform. I see too much of this with male dancers as it is.

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khanjar Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: England Posts: 444	I suppose at the end of the day, be we male or female, we are all just humans and as natural humans we may act as what we are in various situations. Perhaps it is the pack mentality, ever notice how a single male or single female is the most upstanding person when they are on their own, but given the security of numbers of their own sex, they can change, sometimes out of character, buoyed up with the security, comfort and familiarity they feel in numbers, add alcohol, then that can be a recipe for out of character behaviour if ever there was. A lone female in a male enviroment, or a lone male in a female enviroment, it is just the same, women can be as bad as men and men can be as bad as women. A better situation would be equal or roughly equal representation of the sexes, then perhaps the art form being performed would be seen and not the sex. More male dancers required then, the lack of, I see largely as men's fault and their insecurity about their masculinity. To you ladies when you see a male dancer, do you see femininity or masculinity, if it is the latter, please communicate this to males and there might be a change? As for a lot of males, their worst nightmare is for a woman not to see them as masculine and so masculine they must be, any hint of their action being in the slightest, feminine, they avoid. A vicious circle based largely on misunderstanding and misinformation, a failure of communication between the sexes. __________________ I am a dream to some...and a nightmare to others.

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Caroline_afifi V.I.P. Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Liverpool UK Posts: 1,375	As this thread is aclled 'no hope' I thought this would fit here. On Friday night at Raqs B, Ozgen who is a really nice guy and great entertainer performed his piece. Ok, he removed his tight shirt to reveal his bare midriff etc. but the women shrieked and wooped so much through his dance he had to signal to them to shush. If this happend whilst a woman was dancing for an audience of men, everyone would be having a real go at the men and calling them for everything. Some women need to get a serious grip of themselves and stop whining about the behaviour of men whilst imitating them at their worst.