Aisha Azar

Right back at you. I understand WAY more than you think. I do not agree that it is right to have all male shows, and that is what makes people upset. I am supposed to be a good little sheep and follow the politically correct trend and not give a thought to how this kind of imbalance affects the world of dance in the long or short term. You have the gall to act like I am the one who is doing something to designate gender as a devisive element in the dance when it is not ME who had an all one gender show, now is it? I not only can think what I want, I, like everyone else on this forum have right to SAY what I want as well.
And God bless you, or whatever, too.

Male Belly Dancer SERKAN

Hahahaa...Just I start to feel sory for you!!You are soo poor.I don't know what happend in your past with male dancers but urgently you need some help(professional one!!!)
This is my last reply to you.Don't push me soo far!!!
I try to keep myself in polite/kind way.But don't loose this chance!!
I wish one day you can get peace in your mind.

Aisha Azar

And I hope one day you will quit trying to play amateur psychologist and stick to the subject at hand, so neither one of us is getting our wish. And again with the threats..... Big Man.

Tarik Sultan

You know, this is getting to be a round robin argument, so I am done. If no one wants to look at this in any light except how much men should do whatever they want because they have not had a fair shake, then I really can't change anyone's mind or make them see the bigger picture. It seems to me that a lot of women are buying into a mythology that the men have it rougher than we do when it is not really true. But I can guarantee that more shows are on the way in which women will be excluded. This is not a one time thing.
Regards,
A'isha
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Dear forum:

I think you are all aware of the fact by now that indeed this will not be the last all male show simply because IT WAS NOT THE FIRST. All male shows have been happening in Europe for at least 10 yrs now, maybe even longer.
What harm has been done? None. Some people persist in trying to find problems where they do not exist and I think you can all see this. There's only one person here who feels threatened by something which has no impact on anything. If there is anyone who shares a similar view besides her, can you tell us how the dance has been hurt by all male shows in the past 10yrs? I don't see a problem since the people who present them also present mixed shows and all female shows. I think some people have had bad experiences with certain individuals and are now making all male dancers out to be a potential threat. We have the right to dance.... as long as we do not present ourselves as men. If we are effeminate, that's just fine and dandy, but if we are men, or bring that which is natural to us to the dance that's a problem.

There is a huge difference between being masculine, manly and being an obnoxious macho Sh**head. I find it insulting and the fact that said person is so totally unwilling to see the other side of the situation and has gone out of her way to insult male dancers on this forum for no reason is why I have lost all the respect for her that I once had. For the rest of you, I hope your silence only means you are tired of the mess and see no need to join in a futile merry go round ride, but that you do indeed understand that we are not against you in any way, nor do we want to control, belittle, or dominate you in any way. And that if you do encounter individuals who are indeed too full of themselves, you will be mature and intelligent enough to realize that person does not speak, nor represent all of us and that you will judge us as individuals based on our actions.

Zorba

Ok, Ok - as the "official" moderator of the male dancer's forum, can I please ask for a bit of civility here? When I start getting PMs about a thread, its time to step in. I'm not pointing the finger at anyone in particular, esp. since I too can get quite passionate on the subject!

I think we've all said enough of our respective positions on the suject of single-gender shows! Let's all help poor Khanjar find a teacher shall we? That *was* the original idea of this particular thread...

Respectfully,

-Zorba

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lizaj

Before you do move on, may I spring to the defence of middle aged ( or even senior in my case)women.
We do not all get our (big?)knickers in a twist over men -only shows or men joining us in this dance..after all ,we long ago threw them at Tom Jones

Caroline_afifi

was he that bad!!!

Aisha Azar

Dear Zorba,
I believe the discussion WAS civil until Serkan joined it. I will not take blame for being uncivil when I have gone above and beyond the call of duty in that area. I will not be threatened and treated like a pariah just because I do not believe in all male shows. I am entitled to an opinion also, whether or not it meshes with the majority's, and you know I go out of my way to be polite about it, do not call names, try to pop analyze others, or act out in those kinds of ways. I thought that Caroline and I were having a very well thought out conversation and there is nothing to be called on the carpet for in that.
I think there are times when fingers do indeed need to be pointed. As a moderator, I have done it a time or two out of necessity.
Regards,
A'isha

Zorba

A'isha, I'm not pointing fingers at anyone. I'm just asking EVERYONE to tone it down a little - and I'm certainly not "calling anyone on the carpet". Indeed, in your case you were saying that this conversation was going in circles - which it was.

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Salome

I had not dropped in on this thread till now. Zorba is doing what is needed when a hot topic gets to hot, trying to bring the tension level down, cool things off a bit and steer it back on topic.