Tito - Page 11

Tarik Sultan · 05-14-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gypsy8522

Yes, you know the clips that you have on your youtube channel? They actually "borrowed" that footage and showed it on TV, anyway don't get too excited because the overall "discussion" wasn't too good

. The host was so biased and annoying, she also made a remark about your comments on youtube! Seems like YT comments are pissing off a lot of people LOL! Anyway, I will keep you updated to whenever I am done editing the thing.

I don't care, I'd like to know what was said. I wouldn't expect any level of intelligence from a talk show because they thrive on controversy. Exactly what did I say that pissed her off?

Zorba · 05-14-2008, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gypsy8522

He is a terrific dancer, I must say I am not too fond of his grinning though. He could be a good candidate for a toothpaste commercial.

Hmmmm - I hadn't noticed, but if that's the case I'm sure he has better looking teeth than I do!

Ariella · 05-14-2008, 06:13 PM

I like his grin. It reminds me of a little kid on Christmas morning sometimes.

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Originally Posted by gypsy8522

He is a terrific dancer, I must say I am not too fond of his grinning though. He could be a good candidate for a toothpaste commercial.

jenc · 05-14-2008, 06:41 PM

I have to say that I grin a lot when dancing as I'm enjoying myself so much!!!!

gypsy8522 · 05-14-2008, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarik Sultan

I don't care, I'd like to know what was said. I wouldn't expect any level of intelligence from a talk show because they thrive on controversy. Exactly what did I say that pissed her off?

Is your inbox still full? Anyway, I'm going to send you the reply on Youtube, check your messages.

Andrea Deagon · 05-15-2008, 03:27 AM

This may be totally off topic, but I have been reflecting on the nature of men who portray women on stage, such as you would find in Japanese or ancient Greek theater. They were working in formal media, where the presentation of gender would be stylized for both men and women, but they weren't doing parody, but a particular way of being. At the same time I think that in Greek theater (which I know a lot better than Japanese) there was a lot of room for portraying different kinds of women, so that the individual character was as important as the specific ways of performing gender.

But it also has me thinking in terms of how much our concept of gender is determined by our culture. I just got a rather poorly thought-out term paper from a student who was arguing that XYZ happened in Greek myth because women were more emotional than men. Well, in our culture, maybe, women are considered more emotional, but it's hard to make the same claim for ancient Greece when Achilles spends 12 days weeping and not eating because his best friend died, not to mention other equally notable emotional displays. So our cultural construction of gender is different with respect to emotion.

So even if the patriarchies of North America, Europe, Egypt, and Turkey (say) have some points of comparison, isn't the construction of gender bound to be different in each? And therefore isn't the way in which gendered dance emerges bound to be different in each culture? And in each individual in each culture? Our genders -- our individual genders -- are all different points clustered an an orb of potentials that our anatomies and cultures allow.

Having said all that, I had the privilege to see Tito live a couple of weeks ago. He was phenomenal; his energy rocked the house. But I never saw him bring the internal quality that I've seen in Mona Said, Dina, Randa Kamal. It was a blaze of delight, but it wasn't at all interior. Cultural construction? Universal principle? Failure of translation?

OTOH I did find this interior quality in Jim Boz, which (sorry Jim) was the last place I had expected to see it, if only because of my own prejudiced readings of his discourse on masculinity.

I hope this isn't ridiculously obscure ...

Tarik Sultan · 05-15-2008, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by gypsy8522

Is your inbox still full? Anyway, I'm going to send you the reply on Youtube, check your messages.

My mail box has some room. Haven't seen anything in my youtube messages yet. I think it was bad journalism that they didn't contact me to have a discussion, but such is the world and the lack of standards and quality.

Caroline_afifi · 05-15-2008, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrea Deagon

This may be totally off topic, but I have been reflecting on the nature of men who portray women on stage, such as you would find in Japanese or ancient Greek theater. They were working in formal media, where the presentation of gender would be stylized for both men and women, but they weren't doing parody, but a particular way of being. At the same time I think that in Greek theater (which I know a lot better than Japanese) there was a lot of room for portraying different kinds of women, so that the individual character was as important as the specific ways of performing gender.

But it also has me thinking in terms of how much our concept of gender is determined by our culture. I just got a rather poorly thought-out term paper from a student who was arguing that XYZ happened in Greek myth because women were more emotional than men. Well, in our culture, maybe, women are considered more emotional, but it's hard to make the same claim for ancient Greece when Achilles spends 12 days weeping and not eating because his best friend died, not to mention other equally notable emotional displays. So our cultural construction of gender is different with respect to emotion.

So even if the patriarchies of North America, Europe, Egypt, and Turkey (say) have some points of comparison, isn't the construction of gender bound to be different in each? And therefore isn't the way in which gendered dance emerges bound to be different in each culture? And in each individual in each culture? Our genders -- our individual genders -- are all different points clustered an an orb of potentials that our anatomies and cultures allow.

Having said all that, I had the privilege to see Tito live a couple of weeks ago. He was phenomenal; his energy rocked the house. But I never saw him bring the internal quality that I've seen in Mona Said, Dina, Randa Kamal. It was a blaze of delight, but it wasn't at all interior. Cultural construction? Universal principle? Failure of translation?

OTOH I did find this interior quality in Jim Boz, which (sorry Jim) was the last place I had expected to see it, if only because of my own prejudiced readings of his discourse on masculinity.

I hope this isn't ridiculously obscure ...

Thanks for this very interesting and insightful post. I dont find it remotely obscure.

jenc · 05-15-2008, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrea Deagon

Having said all that, I had the privilege to see Tito live a couple of weeks ago. He was phenomenal; his energy rocked the house. But I never saw him bring the internal quality that I've seen in Mona Said, Dina, Randa Kamal. It was a blaze of delight, but it wasn't at all interior. Cultural construction? Universal principle? Failure of translation?

I wonder if that is what I see as masculinity of Tito's dance.

Suheir · 05-15-2008, 11:38 AM

How about women who portray men on stage? Females-as-males drag acts are completely out of fashion now (unless you count Shakespeare, girls pretending to be boys pretending to be girls

) but in the late 19th/early 20th century male impersonators such as Vesta Tilley and Ella Shields were massively popular in Music Hall, both in Britain and abroad.

Ella Shields:

05-15-2008, 03:27 AM	#106 (permalink)
Andrea Deagon Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 123	This may be totally off topic, but I have been reflecting on the nature of men who portray women on stage, such as you would find in Japanese or ancient Greek theater. They were working in formal media, where the presentation of gender would be stylized for both men and women, but they weren't doing parody, but a particular way of being. At the same time I think that in Greek theater (which I know a lot better than Japanese) there was a lot of room for portraying different kinds of women, so that the individual character was as important as the specific ways of performing gender. But it also has me thinking in terms of how much our concept of gender is determined by our culture. I just got a rather poorly thought-out term paper from a student who was arguing that XYZ happened in Greek myth because women were more emotional than men. Well, in our culture, maybe, women are considered more emotional, but it's hard to make the same claim for ancient Greece when Achilles spends 12 days weeping and not eating because his best friend died, not to mention other equally notable emotional displays. So our cultural construction of gender is different with respect to emotion. So even if the patriarchies of North America, Europe, Egypt, and Turkey (say) have some points of comparison, isn't the construction of gender bound to be different in each? And therefore isn't the way in which gendered dance emerges bound to be different in each culture? And in each individual in each culture? Our genders -- our individual genders -- are all different points clustered an an orb of potentials that our anatomies and cultures allow. Having said all that, I had the privilege to see Tito live a couple of weeks ago. He was phenomenal; his energy rocked the house. But I never saw him bring the internal quality that I've seen in Mona Said, Dina, Randa Kamal. It was a blaze of delight, but it wasn't at all interior. Cultural construction? Universal principle? Failure of translation? OTOH I did find this interior quality in Jim Boz, which (sorry Jim) was the last place I had expected to see it, if only because of my own prejudiced readings of his discourse on masculinity. I hope this isn't ridiculously obscure ... __________________ "I am not contradictory, I am dispersed." (Roland Barthes)

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jenc Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Colchester UK Posts: 727	I have to say that I grin a lot when dancing as I'm enjoying myself so much!!!!

05-15-2008, 11:38 AM	#110 (permalink)
Suheir V.I.P. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Europe - London Posts: 1,227	How about women who portray men on stage? Females-as-males drag acts are completely out of fashion now (unless you count Shakespeare, girls pretending to be boys pretending to be girls ) but in the late 19th/early 20th century male impersonators such as Vesta Tilley and Ella Shields were massively popular in Music Hall, both in Britain and abroad. Ella Shields: