Masked male - Page 3

Jessenia · 07-28-2006, 05:54 AM

He has impressed me with his movements! but I believe that facial expresions are vital for manifesting his attitude and passion for the dancing.
Wearing a mask just hides that beatiful part of the performing

Recnadocir · 07-29-2006, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by da Sage

I have no problem with a fast/extreme routine.

I think if he were female, he'd be getting about the same amount of attention.

I don't have a problem with fast movement either; but the great dancers, whatever the dance form, move brilliantly at both very fast and very slow tempos. They can bludgeon with technical brilliance, but also touch the viewer with feather light, nuanced gestures. The essence of good choreography, on the level of the individual or solo dancer, is constrast.

I've seen many female dancers with greater movement inventory on display, better musicality, certainly much more nuanced performers. There are some in the show I'm performing in right now, the Evening of Experimental Middle Eastern Dance series. It's an education.

That's not to say I think he's a bad dancer. I've already stated he has some good skills. But the over the top, hyper, flashy, "look at me" aura turns me off. Great performers, for me, always show some vulnerability, even some humility in their dancing. Don't see it with this guy. He's trying way too hard. I'll say it again, he needs to watch Horacio, learn some softness, some subtlety.

Perhaps when Horacio says "all belly dancers should study some ballet," he's not just referring to the physical and technical benefits of ballet training. Horacio danced ballet at the highest level, and one doesn't get to that level only by being a great technician. One has to also be a great performer. And that requires nuance and vulnerability.

Aisha Azar · 07-29-2006, 06:09 PM

Dear Rico,
While I really don't like Horatcio's dancing, I do agree with what you said that the guy is way over the top and has no vulnerability or texture in his dance except "over the top".
I totally disagree that all belly dancers need to take ballet. They are two completely different forms of expression culturally, in the physical and in essence. Besides that both styles of dance use body movement as forms of expression, they have nothing whatsoever to do with each other.
Regards,
A'isha

Recnadocir · 07-29-2006, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by A'isha Azar

Dear Rico,
I totally disagree that all belly dancers need to take ballet. They are two completely different forms of expression culturally, in the physical and in essence. Besides that both styles of dance use body movement as forms of expression, they have nothing whatsoever to do with each other.
Regards,
A'isha

First, sorry about the double post. The second one was an edit and expansion of the previous one, which somehow didn't get deleted in the edit process. Is there a moderator for this forum yet?

Second, I don't agree that all belly dancers need to take ballet either, Aisha Azar, and wasn't implying that I completely agree with Horacio. I do believe, however, that many belly dancers could improve their athleticism and their technical execution of things like turns, where they choose to include these in the choreography, and ballet can help with this, in addition to improving balance, a sense of line, and flexibility. And I don't know for sure but am speculating about Horacio's intent regarding the more subtle, performance-oriented benefits of ballet training. I will say that the two dance forms where I see the most nuance are ballet and classical Indian dance.

Aisha Azar · 07-29-2006, 08:47 PM

Dear Rico,
I think that belly dance creates its own sense of balance that is more appropriate to the dance than that acquired through ballet. I would say the same is true of athleticism, etc. As for choreography, many of the very best belly dancers don't even choreograph, but instead know their music inside and out, and understand how to respond to the music, as their bodies and spirits are manifesting the music on the physical plane, which is a visceral and not an intellectual process. I think this DOES require years of training in the technical area of dance, so that the body moves in response, but also within the boundaries of the families of movement that are associated with belly dance... and with the right essence, if you will.
I have never studied ballet or any western forms of dance, yet I think most people who have seen me dance would say that I do not lack in subtlety, complexity or technique. These things are inherent in the dance.
Regards,
A'isha

Makeda Maysa · 08-01-2006, 08:19 PM

I, too, find the mask off-putting and kept thinking, "Why?" It just seemed pointless to me. I think he has some great moves, but it seemed less like a bellydance performance and more like watching Stuart from MADTV doing bellydance moves ... "Look what I can do!"

Shanazel · 08-02-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by A'isha Azar

Dear Rico,
I think that belly dance creates its own sense of balance that is more appropriate to the dance than that acquired through ballet. I would say the same is true of athleticism, etc. As for choreography, many of the very best belly dancers don't even choreograph, but instead know their music inside and out, and understand how to respond to the music, as their bodies and spirits are manifesting the music on the physical plane, which is a visceral and not an intellectual process.
Regards,
A'isha

If we still had the smilie that claps, I'd put it here.

Jamil · 09-01-2006, 05:36 PM

i have seen a few of his clips..
the mask was different. but not totally offputting. i didnt really care if he was ugly or not i just wanted to see what he could give as a male dancer.
to label him a belly dancer would be a bit streched. labelling him a damn good entertainer would be more befitting ot his image.
his prop work and flexability is amazing... his choero could be worked on a bit more, but not terrible compared to some that i have seen (unless his skit was improv then it was pretty good... but im doubting it was)

dont be too harsh on him, i didnt mind watching his performance. it was entertaining.

Aisha Azar · 09-01-2006, 07:32 PM

Dear Jamil,
I saw his dancing pretty much as you did. Do you have any clips out anywhere?
Regards,
A'isha

bin_rodi · 12-19-2006, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Salome

Orgun... What do you think of the mask as an acessory?

depending on how the mask look like

07-29-2006, 06:09 PM	#23 (permalink)
Aisha Azar V.I.P. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Pacific Northwest USA Posts: 4,462	Orgun etc Dear Rico, While I really don't like Horatcio's dancing, I do agree with what you said that the guy is way over the top and has no vulnerability or texture in his dance except "over the top". I totally disagree that all belly dancers need to take ballet. They are two completely different forms of expression culturally, in the physical and in essence. Besides that both styles of dance use body movement as forms of expression, they have nothing whatsoever to do with each other. Regards, A'isha

07-29-2006, 08:47 PM	#25 (permalink)
Aisha Azar V.I.P. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Pacific Northwest USA Posts: 4,462	Orgun, etc. Dear Rico, I think that belly dance creates its own sense of balance that is more appropriate to the dance than that acquired through ballet. I would say the same is true of athleticism, etc. As for choreography, many of the very best belly dancers don't even choreograph, but instead know their music inside and out, and understand how to respond to the music, as their bodies and spirits are manifesting the music on the physical plane, which is a visceral and not an intellectual process. I think this DOES require years of training in the technical area of dance, so that the body moves in response, but also within the boundaries of the families of movement that are associated with belly dance... and with the right essence, if you will. I have never studied ballet or any western forms of dance, yet I think most people who have seen me dance would say that I do not lack in subtlety, complexity or technique. These things are inherent in the dance. Regards, A'isha Last edited by Aisha Azar; 07-30-2006 at 01:02 PM. Reason: typos

08-01-2006, 08:19 PM	#26 (permalink)
Makeda Maysa Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 234	I, too, find the mask off-putting and kept thinking, "Why?" It just seemed pointless to me. I think he has some great moves, but it seemed less like a bellydance performance and more like watching Stuart from MADTV doing bellydance moves ... "Look what I can do!" __________________ The Niraja Dance Company www.thendc.net

09-01-2006, 07:32 PM	#29 (permalink)
Aisha Azar V.I.P. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Pacific Northwest USA Posts: 4,462	Mask etc. Dear Jamil, I saw his dancing pretty much as you did. Do you have any clips out anywhere? Regards, A'isha

07-28-2006, 05:54 AM	#21 (permalink)
Jessenia Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Argentina Posts: 24	He has impressed me with his movements! but I believe that facial expresions are vital for manifesting his attitude and passion for the dancing. Wearing a mask just hides that beatiful part of the performing

09-01-2006, 05:36 PM	#28 (permalink)
Jamil Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 61	i have seen a few of his clips.. the mask was different. but not totally offputting. i didnt really care if he was ugly or not i just wanted to see what he could give as a male dancer. to label him a belly dancer would be a bit streched. labelling him a damn good entertainer would be more befitting ot his image. his prop work and flexability is amazing... his choero could be worked on a bit more, but not terrible compared to some that i have seen (unless his skit was improv then it was pretty good... but im doubting it was) dont be too harsh on him, i didnt mind watching his performance. it was entertaining.