Gothic Belly dance - Page 6

Sara · 09-04-2006, 08:57 PM

I would if I was in America near NY, but I'mt he other side of the pond.

Sounds fun though.

Desideria · 09-04-2006, 10:07 PM

I think what he meant was for anyone in this particular forum responding to your question.
I am a profesional dancer trained in ballet, Flamenco, Indian, Samba and ME dance now for 20 years. I also do Gothic Ethno-Fusion Dance.

I perform traditional dance styles for the corporate events/functions. I only perform Gothic theme shows for the Gothic scene events , functions and nightclubs.

I think everyone here has a biased opinion about what Gothic dance is. I love all types of ethnic and alternative styles of music.
I incorporate ME dance into dark music that actually has ME instruments and singing in it. Dead Can Dance Corvus Corax ECT......

It is still Me dance as I DO the moves to the particular notes.A profesional dancer can dance to anthing as I was taught and learned by my peers. To put down a certain style just becaus you do not do it is just ignorant.
Everyone percieves dance styles their own way.
To have an indivitual mind is great!!! To be yourself and create an art form of your own interest and incorporate it with other art forms is quite interesting and ambitious.

To each their own but to everyone who put Gothic dancers down I say walk a mile in our shoes first before you judge because from what I seen your commments have been very unjustifiable to me. As you havent a clue what you speak of.

Desideria · 09-04-2006, 10:09 PM

Ah what else I wanted to say GOTHIC ME dance is a style of theatrical Elegance, drama and intrigue. An art form of dark allure and mysterious sensuality. Ah isnt ME dance that also.

Gabi · 09-04-2006, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desideria

Ah what else I wanted to say GOTHIC ME dance is a style of theatrical Elegance, drama and intrigue. An art form of dark allure and mysterious sensuality. Ah isnt ME dance that also.

I agree with both you and Jeffrey.

My only contention is please let it be GOOD Gothic Belly Dance. The one I was commenting on didn't get it for me in performance, writing about said performance or the dance aspects of that performance.

I've attended a few Gothic drop in classes and much to my surprise the dancers were totally proficient in all the moves they just happen to also do and teach a Gothic version.

I agree with you - dance is dance and a dancer can dance to almost anything if they desire to learn it.

The same thing in the same style over and over can get beyond boring.

Jeffrey · 09-04-2006, 11:47 PM

Yeah, the one dance on the dvd that seems to raise eyebrows is the S & M one by Jehan. Most of the others are not at all like that. Jehan pushes the envelope a bit. She happens to bee a very skilled traditionally trained ME dancer and I've attended a number of her performances. This is something a little new for her, and why not? She's trying something.
I know you Desi... I went to your site and looked through your gallery and in the last set of pictures at "The Fairy Fest", those were Casey and my drums and audio equipment behind you. We were the drummers for that event and you danced with our drumming later after you put your "civies" on. That was a fun event.

Mariesaffron · 09-05-2006, 01:29 AM

I do admire gothic Dance, gothic is a very old thing, you can visit museums with extensive Goth themes, it may had been call medieval or barroco, but the gothic tendency was clear; now it is becoming more and more defined, it can be very artistic if properly presented, it is a life style and they too has the right to belly dance if they so choose, there is not a code that said you should dress in a particular way if you want to belly dance. so let then be, I personally think Rachel Brice is very talented Gothic Dancer,

Desideria · 09-05-2006, 03:43 AM

Thank you also what comes to mind. What is GOTHIC? It is old world charm beauty and elegance. Certainly not Sadist, Masochist or Devil worship as unknown sources say we are. It is a artistic emotion of depth and passion deeper . If Gothic dance is not ME or any traditional dance. Then I am sory but I listen and danc e to nu,merous bands that not only have Me music in their songs but! Flamenco, Indian and other ethnic beats.

It is why there is Fusion styles traditional, alternative and Ethni blends of music. And when you come to think of it centurys ago each culture adopted dance styles and music from other cultures and eras. If you listen to Classical music you will also find dark, moody, sensual, mystique as well(GOTHIC) feel to the songs.

I do not believe because I enjoy Gothic music and dance to it that I am not a professionaly taught or natural dancer. As dance the music is in my blood. I put passion, emotion into all my art forms no matter what music I dance too. I was onwe of the performers at Zan Ashas fairy fest. And I enjoyed being part of open minded event. I saw different ME performances and I think its great if he has drum beats, ME music ITS ME DANCE!!! Case closed!

Moon · 09-05-2006, 12:37 PM

Thank you Desideria & Jeffrey for explaining more about gothic bellydance.
Do you know any good video clips of this style online? Cause most of the video clips in this thread aren't very nice or are not really gothic bellydance.

Sara · 09-05-2006, 04:53 PM

Nice to have another perspective. I know that gothic isn't about devil worship or anything, some of my friends are goths, and I am also a Wiccan/Pagan, whatever it is me gram drills into my head.

Can you explain to me some more about the music though that you dance to? I do really like lots of nice floaty music, but is that the kind you dance to?

I didn't really like the Music clip because I thought it was a bit to much and it didn't seem to make much sense....

I didn't like the quote about being 'part gypsy' though, because I have family who are Romany, and to be honest, didn't see it at all, and the term 'gypsy' isn't very nice to use. That is one thing I didn't understand too.

And Desi- I LOVE Indian dance, you seem to have a good variety of dances you have studied.

I only hope I can get training in as many types of dance.

Desideria · 09-05-2006, 05:24 PM

Oh I do realize you were not implying that we are evil but I did see a recent post from someone that was just about applying we were.I am also wiccan/Pagan and am very spiritual aas well as a natural healer and consultant.

Well I had over 20 years of training. I started with Ballet in my youth, Flamenco at 12 so on and so forth. Gypsy to me is a worldy person who travels it is also someone I find to be of great knoweledge streetwise and mystical.. It doesnt have to be a insult Roms are not gypsys but Gypsys come from every culture. I greew up with European and kashmiri friends and family. Yes even a Romanian gypsy family who taught me their culture.

I dance to what ever moves me. I have been into all kinds of music since my youth. Especially R&R. I listen very much to the beat as well as the lyrics if it moves me I dance to it. If it brings out my sensuality and creative art form...

I can not say which bands or songs I have so many. Dead can dance ect......

I am booked for 2 upcoming Holloween shows. all I can say is I am working hard on my presence, choreography, costume and theme. It will be quite different ( as are all my show appearances for each event)As a matter of fact I am performing this weekend for a benefit for the Human Society and am doing a Arabic/Flamenco fusion number

well I hope that helps if you need more info go to my site or any Gothic Dance site. I have a whole page on me and my dance on http://www.khaalida.com/

09-04-2006, 08:57 PM	#51 (permalink)
Sara V.I.P. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Wales/Yorkshire Posts: 1,160	I would if I was in America near NY, but I'mt he other side of the pond. Sounds fun though. __________________ With a little bit of this and a little bit of that, now shake your bum.... :P

09-04-2006, 11:47 PM	#55 (permalink)
Jeffrey Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 19	Gothic Belly Dance Yeah, the one dance on the dvd that seems to raise eyebrows is the S & M one by Jehan. Most of the others are not at all like that. Jehan pushes the envelope a bit. She happens to bee a very skilled traditionally trained ME dancer and I've attended a number of her performances. This is something a little new for her, and why not? She's trying something. I know you Desi... I went to your site and looked through your gallery and in the last set of pictures at "The Fairy Fest", those were Casey and my drums and audio equipment behind you. We were the drummers for that event and you danced with our drumming later after you put your "civies" on. That was a fun event.

09-05-2006, 04:53 PM	#59 (permalink)
Sara V.I.P. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Wales/Yorkshire Posts: 1,160	Nice to have another perspective. I know that gothic isn't about devil worship or anything, some of my friends are goths, and I am also a Wiccan/Pagan, whatever it is me gram drills into my head. Can you explain to me some more about the music though that you dance to? I do really like lots of nice floaty music, but is that the kind you dance to? I didn't really like the Music clip because I thought it was a bit to much and it didn't seem to make much sense.... I didn't like the quote about being 'part gypsy' though, because I have family who are Romany, and to be honest, didn't see it at all, and the term 'gypsy' isn't very nice to use. That is one thing I didn't understand too. And Desi- I LOVE Indian dance, you seem to have a good variety of dances you have studied. I only hope I can get training in as many types of dance. __________________ With a little bit of this and a little bit of that, now shake your bum.... :P Last edited by Sara; 09-05-2006 at 04:56 PM.

09-05-2006, 05:24 PM	#60 (permalink)
Desideria Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: CT Posts: 28	Oh I do realize you were not implying that we are evil but I did see a recent post from someone that was just about applying we were.I am also wiccan/Pagan and am very spiritual aas well as a natural healer and consultant. Well I had over 20 years of training. I started with Ballet in my youth, Flamenco at 12 so on and so forth. Gypsy to me is a worldy person who travels it is also someone I find to be of great knoweledge streetwise and mystical.. It doesnt have to be a insult Roms are not gypsys but Gypsys come from every culture. I greew up with European and kashmiri friends and family. Yes even a Romanian gypsy family who taught me their culture. I dance to what ever moves me. I have been into all kinds of music since my youth. Especially R&R. I listen very much to the beat as well as the lyrics if it moves me I dance to it. If it brings out my sensuality and creative art form... I can not say which bands or songs I have so many. Dead can dance ect...... I am booked for 2 upcoming Holloween shows. all I can say is I am working hard on my presence, choreography, costume and theme. It will be quite different ( as are all my show appearances for each event)As a matter of fact I am performing this weekend for a benefit for the Human Society and am doing a Arabic/Flamenco fusion number well I hope that helps if you need more info go to my site or any Gothic Dance site. I have a whole page on me and my dance on http://www.khaalida.com/ Last edited by Desideria; 09-05-2006 at 06:02 PM.

09-04-2006, 10:07 PM	#52 (permalink)
Desideria Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: CT Posts: 28	I think what he meant was for anyone in this particular forum responding to your question. I am a profesional dancer trained in ballet, Flamenco, Indian, Samba and ME dance now for 20 years. I also do Gothic Ethno-Fusion Dance. I perform traditional dance styles for the corporate events/functions. I only perform Gothic theme shows for the Gothic scene events , functions and nightclubs. I think everyone here has a biased opinion about what Gothic dance is. I love all types of ethnic and alternative styles of music. I incorporate ME dance into dark music that actually has ME instruments and singing in it. Dead Can Dance Corvus Corax ECT...... It is still Me dance as I DO the moves to the particular notes.A profesional dancer can dance to anthing as I was taught and learned by my peers. To put down a certain style just becaus you do not do it is just ignorant. Everyone percieves dance styles their own way. To have an indivitual mind is great!!! To be yourself and create an art form of your own interest and incorporate it with other art forms is quite interesting and ambitious. To each their own but to everyone who put Gothic dancers down I say walk a mile in our shoes first before you judge because from what I seen your commments have been very unjustifiable to me. As you havent a clue what you speak of.

09-04-2006, 10:09 PM	#53 (permalink)
Desideria Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: CT Posts: 28	Ah what else I wanted to say GOTHIC ME dance is a style of theatrical Elegance, drama and intrigue. An art form of dark allure and mysterious sensuality. Ah isnt ME dance that also.

09-05-2006, 01:29 AM	#56 (permalink)
Mariesaffron Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: I live in Morgan City Posts: 155	I do admire gothic Dance, gothic is a very old thing, you can visit museums with extensive Goth themes, it may had been call medieval or barroco, but the gothic tendency was clear; now it is becoming more and more defined, it can be very artistic if properly presented, it is a life style and they too has the right to belly dance if they so choose, there is not a code that said you should dress in a particular way if you want to belly dance. so let then be, I personally think Rachel Brice is very talented Gothic Dancer,

09-05-2006, 03:43 AM	#57 (permalink)
Desideria Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: CT Posts: 28	Thank you also what comes to mind. What is GOTHIC? It is old world charm beauty and elegance. Certainly not Sadist, Masochist or Devil worship as unknown sources say we are. It is a artistic emotion of depth and passion deeper . If Gothic dance is not ME or any traditional dance. Then I am sory but I listen and danc e to nu,merous bands that not only have Me music in their songs but! Flamenco, Indian and other ethnic beats. It is why there is Fusion styles traditional, alternative and Ethni blends of music. And when you come to think of it centurys ago each culture adopted dance styles and music from other cultures and eras. If you listen to Classical music you will also find dark, moody, sensual, mystique as well(GOTHIC) feel to the songs. I do not believe because I enjoy Gothic music and dance to it that I am not a professionaly taught or natural dancer. As dance the music is in my blood. I put passion, emotion into all my art forms no matter what music I dance too. I was onwe of the performers at Zan Ashas fairy fest. And I enjoyed being part of open minded event. I saw different ME performances and I think its great if he has drum beats, ME music ITS ME DANCE!!! Case closed!

09-05-2006, 12:37 PM	#58 (permalink)
Moon V.I.P. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 3,621	Thank you Desideria & Jeffrey for explaining more about gothic bellydance. Do you know any good video clips of this style online? Cause most of the video clips in this thread aren't very nice or are not really gothic bellydance.