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Old 07-26-2007, 10:39 PM   #221 (permalink)
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I agree Ariellah RRRocks! I would love to see her dance some other style as well- I am just curious- she has awesome body control!
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Old 07-28-2007, 08:58 AM   #222 (permalink)
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I have read your thread, is interesting.
i love goth.

in italy the gbd is not popular, is really difficult the study of this. i have buy various dvd but only american dancers...

i think the goth is our soul coming out in a unusual bellydance, but not for chosen... for spiritual devotion and dark soul (forgive my error )
i think really is not possible to decide this, not with stage, study, simpathy of dark style, but naturally.
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Old 07-28-2007, 12:05 PM   #223 (permalink)
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Sara.

I didn't like the first video at all. But that's just me.
I've seen the second one on DVD full length.
And if memory serves, it's called 'Gothic bellydance for beautiful freaks'
It is gothic bellydance. My 'new' teacher teaches gothic BD and loves it.

All these videos are my teacher.


YouTube - Raqs Gothique and Wendy Rule


YouTube - Raqs Gothique @ Nocturnal Instincts2 March 2006


YouTube - Raqs Gothique @ The Salon Februrary 2006


YouTube - Pre Show: Rachel Brice concert 10/11/06


YouTube - Ma'isah Bellydances to "The Cure"


YouTube - Serpentskirt dances At Bayside Hafla May 2007


YouTube - Serpentskirt rehearsal for Wolftribes


YouTube - Serpentskirt at Solace concert: Melb AU


YouTube - Serpentskirt Veil dance with Solace, Live
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Old 07-30-2007, 03:23 AM   #224 (permalink)
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Forgot to add this.

YouTube - Ma'isah Bellydances to "The Cure"

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Sara.

I didn't like the first video at all. But that's just me.
I've seen the second one on DVD full length.
And if memory serves, it's called 'Gothic bellydance for beautiful freaks'
It is gothic bellydance. My 'new' teacher teaches gothic BD and loves it.

All these videos are my teacher.


YouTube - Raqs Gothique and Wendy Rule


YouTube - Raqs Gothique @ Nocturnal Instincts2 March 2006


YouTube - Raqs Gothique @ The Salon Februrary 2006


YouTube - Pre Show: Rachel Brice concert 10/11/06


YouTube - Ma'isah Bellydances to "The Cure"


YouTube - Serpentskirt dances At Bayside Hafla May 2007


YouTube - Serpentskirt rehearsal for Wolftribes


YouTube - Serpentskirt at Solace concert: Melb AU


YouTube - Serpentskirt Veil dance with Solace, Live
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Old 08-25-2007, 11:14 AM   #225 (permalink)
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Oh those are nice. Especially the Cure one. I like it.
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Old 12-12-2007, 06:53 PM   #226 (permalink)
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i think gothic belly dance is just about the costume they do the same dance moves but just were thick make up and dark costumes. does any one agree or disagree.
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Old 12-12-2007, 08:58 PM   #227 (permalink)
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I'd say it's more of a music choice, first and foremost, but costuming IS an important part.

It was always my understanding (my very limited understanding) that when one performed at a Goth event, one danced to Goth music. I did a Goth show once but just wore a black Hagallah-style gown (the ones with the big bell sleeves, you know). It went over well, I think.
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Old 12-14-2007, 04:07 PM   #228 (permalink)
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As the researcher and primary author behind The Gothic Bellydance Resource (The Gothic Belly Dance Resource), as well as one of the main instructors in the genre, I would have to disagree.

Gothic Bellydance is an amalgamation of the movement vocabulary, musical interpretation of bellydance (cabaret, tribal, folkloric, any base style) with the aesthetic, music, and attitude of the Gothic subculture. For a performance to truly be Gothic Bellydance, there must be a cohesive union between the music, the costuming, the movement vocabulary, and theatrical stage presence. There is a story being told, and related to the audience interactively. (which is why I wouldn't consider personal displays of angst really GBD...if you want to close your eyes and have a personal moment for 6 minutes on stage, stay in your bedroom or go to a club to do it, not the stage.)

Dancing in a black bedlah to Bauhaus doesn't make it GBD. Nor does wearing heavy eyeliner and fishnets dancing to Gypsy Caravan make it GBD either. (Just as a cabaret dancer donning a choli and tassel belt make the dance tribal, and vice versa - an ATS dancer in a beaded bra and belt doesn't mean she's doing Egyptian). In GBD, the Gothic attitude must be there - a sense of drama and storytelling. It CAN be done to Middle Eastern music. Essentially, it's a well-done, theatrical presentation where the make-up and costuming act as aids to the movement vocabulary as it interprets the music. They all must work together. It requires a lot of thought and consideration for it to be truly done right. There is also a developing vocabulary of GBD-specific moves - movements that fuse traditional BD moves with Gothic aesthetic and club moves.

I don't believe you have to identify yourself as Gothic to dance GBD, just as you don't have to be Turkish to do Turkish Bellydance - but one needs to understand the culture - and Goth really does have its own collection of art, literature, music, and social interaction - so it is something that can be actively studied.

And personally, I'd have to say, I probably wear less make-up than most regular bellydancers...so thick make-up ain't it either...to me, less is more. I've also danced in white costumes...blue and red...it's the overall aesthetic and connection to the story that brings it all together.


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You know this is going to lead to a thread and a debate on what is the "essence" of Goth, don't you

But I'm sure that subject hasn't been beaten to death JUST yet :0
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You know this is going to lead to a thread and a debate on what is the "essence" of Goth, don't you

But I'm sure that subject hasn't been beaten to death JUST yet :0
LOL, well if it's not beaten to death, then it just ain't Goth. ))))
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