Amazing video about women in Saudi Arabia - Page 9

Midoria · 02-06-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by gypsy8522

I think you are mixing up between higab and sheila.

Are you Egyptian? Or were you taught certain Arabic words by Egyptians?

Aisha Azar · 02-06-2008, 09:40 PM

Dear Midoria,
I do not mean to answer for Gypsy, but among my Egyptian friends, the head covering is called, "Shall", and pronounced like the shall in "Shall we go and have tea?"
Regards,
A'isha

Midoria · 02-07-2008, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by A'isha Azar

Dear Midoria,
I do not mean to answer for Gypsy, but among my Egyptian friends, the head covering is called, "Shall", and pronounced like the shall in "Shall we go and have tea?"
Regards,
A'isha

Actually, it was the use of a "g" sound where a "j" usually is that lead to me ask that question. It's a very common Egyptian thing. Like women named "Najla" might be called "Nagla".

As far as what other Egyptians call things, I wouldn't know. The few Arab friends that I had were quite religious and thusly called things by their proper/Qur'anic names. So hijab was usually called "khimar".

Aisha Azar · 02-07-2008, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Midoria

Actually, it was the use of a "g" sound where a "j" usually is that lead to me ask that question. It's a very common Egyptian thing. Like women named "Najla" might be called "Nagla".

As far as what other Egyptians call things, I wouldn't know. The few Arab friends that I had were quite religious and thusly called things by their proper/Qur'anic names. So hijab was usually called "khimar".

Dear Midoria,
The hard G seems to happen in Egypt and a few other locations,but in the Middle East, including the Levant, most people seem to use soft J sound. For example, an Egyptian friend has a son named Amgad. Our Jordanian friends tend to call him Amjed and our Saudi and gulf friends call him Amjad. It is the same way with a lot of words. I have never head an Egyptian say "Hijab", so I can not be very helpful with how they would say the word. Usually head scarves and other covering seem to be called meliya and shall. Hopefully Gypsy will respond to you, because I could call and ask a bunch of people, but she might know off the top of her head. I am going to dinner in a few minutes with a Saudi friend. I will try to remember to ask her if Egyptians use the word Hijab. She has spent a lot of time there and is married to an Alexandrian.
Regards,
A'isha

KuteNurse · 02-07-2008, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by A'isha Azar

Dear Kutenurse,
I often find myself in the position of defending Americans against Arabs and ARabs against Americans, so here goes.

A. writes- I have somewhere read about the giving habits of countries around the world, and the United States is not even at the top of that list. You see, we are aware of what WE give, but not so much of what other countries give. Other people are just as generous on the world level as we are, and some are more so. Actually, the whole premise of Muslim society is based on generosity and taking care of others who are less fortunate. You are not even allowed to refuse your enemy who is in need if he comes to you. You have to take care of him for three days. Now, just like in America and other places, this may or may not be what actually happens in every case!!

Regards,
A'isha

A'isha,

I did not know that. It would certainly be nice if everyone around the world could follow suit and take care of each other the way God intended us to do. That was quite interesting....Thankyou for sharing

KuteNurse · 02-07-2008, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ranya

Ok now I guess you are going to hate me for this post, but this really becomes a very heated debate and in my opinion deserves a place in the sauna (if shakira does, than why not this?). I guess it has become more than just about the youtube video.
(ok you can hate me now for this completely off topic comment).

Ranya,

No one hates you.

KuteNurse · 02-07-2008, 06:30 AM

Just for the record, I truly have learned much from daSage and A'isha. Some of this may have sounded heated and I truly upset was when I was called names by someone who does not know me. But, this talk has really taught me to stand by my own believes and not to let someone try to change my mind about what I believe in. I have also learned many facts about Arab countries.

janaki · 02-07-2008, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by KuteNurse

Janaki,

I respect your opinions and I enjoy reading your posts. However, everytime I seem to state my opinions, you seem to defend Gypsy. My intend is not to offend you or others. I was simply defending myself and I have a right to do that. The issues were resolved on your side with your views, but I never had the chance to defend myself and/or my views and opinions were not respected by some. I have been as respectful as I possibly could have been and trust me I could have said a lot of things that I carefully chose not too. When someone calls me prejudice and misinformed I believe I have the right to set things straight. I NEVER would have called anyone those names of their shared views. I would have respected their opinions.

Hi Kutenurse,

I am not defending anyone here. I do respect you (I said it earlier that you are one of the nicest people on this forum and I meant it) and as well as gypsy. You both are two different people with different opinions. You both have every right for your opinions. I feel so bad that so much negativity set between you too. I am a peace maker, that is what I am trying to do it here. I feel for gypsy cos she is an arab person, and it it hurts if ones culture and way of life is discussed in a negative way. It really doesn't matter what the reality is, it still is very sensitive thing to discuss. If you remembered I defended you in one of my posts, because I didn't think it was right for you to be called names simply because you expressed your opinion. I simply think it was not necessary to post those links on your part and also gypsy replying with more links attached.

Kutenurse, I DO feel for you. I am sorry that you feel this way about my posts. I insists that my posts didn't mean to defend or hurt anyone. I was trying not make this thread upset people and break forum freindships.

Pls let us all cool down have a ODNET HUGGGG!!!

KuteNurse · 02-07-2008, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by janaki

Hi Kutenurse,

I am not defending anyone here. I do respect you (I said it earlier that you are one of the nicest people on this forum and I meant it) and as well as gypsy. You both are two different people with different opinions. You both have every right for your opinions. I feel so bad that so much negativity set between you too. I am a peace maker, that is what I am trying to do it here. I feel for gypsy cos she is an arab person, and it it hurts if ones culture and way of life is discussed in a negative way. It really doesn't matter what the reality is, it still is very sensitive thing to discuss. If you remembered I defended you in one of my posts, because I didn't think it was right for you to be called names simply because you expressed your opinion. I simply think it was not necessary to post those links on your part and also gypsy replying with more links attached.

Kutenurse, I DO feel for you. I am sorry that you feel this way about my posts. I insists that my posts didn't mean to defend or hurt anyone. I was trying not make this thread upset people and break forum freindships.

Pls let us all cool down have a ODNET HUGGGG!!!

Janaki,

You are right in saying you want to be a peacemaker and you have always been kind and gracious. I am sorry for posting that and I really do enjoy your posts and I would like to keep your friendship. Once again I am sorry and I agree...we should all cool down a bit.

Hugs to you!

gypsy8522 · 02-07-2008, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by janaki

Hi Kutenurse,

I am not defending anyone here. I do respect you (I said it earlier that you are one of the nicest people on this forum and I meant it) and as well as gypsy. You both are two different people with different opinions. You both have every right for your opinions. I feel so bad that so much negativity set between you too. I am a peace maker, that is what I am trying to do it here. I feel for gypsy cos she is an arab person, and it it hurts if ones culture and way of life is discussed in a negative way. It really doesn't matter what the reality is, it still is very sensitive thing to discuss. If you remembered I defended you in one of my posts, because I didn't think it was right for you to be called names simply because you expressed your opinion. I simply think it was not necessary to post those links on your part and also gypsy replying with more links attached.

Janaki,

I remember watching Oprah's episode about violence against women, where she had talked about one of her old interviews with actress Robin Givens. It was mentioned the statistics about domestic violence in America. I posted that RG link as a reference, and this was recorded from one of the major American TV networks. I did not post a poor quality, stolen homemade video that contained content offensive in nature and wrong captions, as it is the case with the video of the Iraqi woman. I have tried to make my posts on this thread as educational as possible. Personally, when I don't know something, I like to keep my mouth shut. There is nothing I hate more than disinforming others, if anyone did the same to me (fed me fantasy) I won't be happy either. I agree with you that culture and religion are sensitive issues, and in order to discuss this one should at least have a good amount of knowledge about the culture represented and/or factual information based on experience to share with others. Culture is not something we can learn about from the news, if we were discussing world politics now that would be a different story.

02-06-2008, 09:40 PM	#82 (permalink)
Aisha Azar V.I.P. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Pacific Northwest USA Posts: 4,516	Shall Dear Midoria, I do not mean to answer for Gypsy, but among my Egyptian friends, the head covering is called, "Shall", and pronounced like the shall in "Shall we go and have tea?" Regards, A'isha

02-07-2008, 06:30 AM	#87 (permalink)
KuteNurse V.I.P. Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Duluth, Minnesota Posts: 2,986	Just for the record, I truly have learned much from daSage and A'isha. Some of this may have sounded heated and I truly upset was when I was called names by someone who does not know me. But, this talk has really taught me to stand by my own believes and not to let someone try to change my mind about what I believe in. I have also learned many facts about Arab countries.