What Religious Confession are you? - Page 7

sultan · 12-23-2008, 04:04 AM

i! am getting increasingly irritated by and dismissive of institutional religion.

I just watched the movie Rachida by Yamina Bachir-Chouikh which dealt with religiously caused violence in Algeria. If these events are true as portrayed in that movie, I can certainly understand your viewpoint.

Let's hope that everyone can learn to respect each other's religion without any form of prejudice.

Meantime, a Wonderful Holiday Season to ALL!

Sita · 12-23-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sultan

i! am getting increasingly irritated by and dismissive of institutional religion.Read Terry Prachett's Small Gods actually just read Terry Pratchett... a quote 'The gods of the Disc have never bothered much about judging the souls of the dead, and so people only go to hell if that’s where they believe, in their deepest heart, that they deserve to go. Which they won’t do if they don’t know about it. This explains why it is so important to shoot missionaries on sight.'

I just watched the movie Rachida by Yamina Bachir-Chouikh which dealt with religiously caused violence in Algeria. If these events are true as portrayed in that movie, I can certainly understand your viewpoint.
Haven't seen that one is it good? have you ever seen Battle of Algiers? it might help explain some of the issues that led up to those events in Algeria. As many would argue that the exact root of the Algerian problem was not religion but the French occupation that tried to limit/eliminate Islam (Quaranic schools made illegal etc) that caused some to turn to fundamentalism. Once you culture is taken from you people tend to turn to something stable that provides them with a strong sense of idenity (particulalry if it's not anything connected to the colonial power).

Let's hope that everyone can learn to respect each other's religion without any form of prejudice.

Meantime, a Wonderful Holiday Season to ALL!

Happy Chanukah and Merry Christmas to All

Sita

sultan · 12-23-2008, 09:42 PM

i! am getting increasingly irritated by and dismissive of institutional religion.

Actually, that was not my quote. But I certainly understand the sentiment. As someone whose ancestry is Sephardic Jewish but whose family was forcibly converted to Christianity by the Inquisition at the point of a sword, I have to agree that society and the world is better off if it remains tolerant.

Battle of Algiers

Watched it MANY moons ago. It was very popular in NYC college campuses in the late 60s and early 70s. That was well before your time, of course.

As I try to explain on other web forums, it was not Islamic extremists who invented terrorism. After all, it was "Christian" England that invaded Egypt, Iran, Iraq, and the Indian subcontinent. "Christian" Italy, France, and Spain that invaded Tunisia and Libya. And it was "Christian" France and Spain that invaded Morocco and Algeria.

MILLIONS died because of these inhuman acts of barbarity. Therefore, the question is, who are the real terrorists?

The time has come for reconciliation. The world would definitely be better off it we had this today.

KuteNurse · 12-24-2008, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sultan

i! am getting increasingly irritated by and dismissive of institutional religion.

Actually, that was not my quote. But I certainly understand the sentiment. As someone whose ancestry is Sephardic Jewish but whose family was forcibly converted to Christianity by the Inquisition at the point of a sword, I have to agree that society and the world is better off if it remains tolerant.

Battle of Algiers

Watched it MANY moons ago. It was very popular in NYC college campuses in the late 60s and early 70s. That was well before your time, of course.

As I try to explain on other web forums, it was not Islamic extremists who invented terrorism. After all, it was "Christian" England that invaded Egypt, Iran, Iraq, and the Indian subcontinent. "Christian" Italy, France, and Spain that invaded Tunisia and Libya. And it was "Christian" France and Spain that invaded Morocco and Algeria.

MILLIONS died because of these inhuman acts of barbarity. Therefore, the question is, who are the real terrorists?

The time has come for reconciliation. The world would definitely be better off it we had this today.

Merry Christmas Sultan and I hope you have a wonderful holiday season. My family and I are in the Twin Cities staying at the Radisson in Plymouth. What a great fitness center! I can't get enough! lol I just got off the treadmill, listening to belly dancing music of course as I walked. It is great to see your posts again and God Bless.

Loveya!

sultan · 12-24-2008, 03:26 AM

Hi KN!

A fond Merry Christmas to you + yours:

sultan · 12-24-2008, 03:34 AM

Rachida:

A very realistic portrayal of life in war torn Algeria. The movie captured the great intensitty and anxiety that existed there in those turbulent times. Not a pretty or happy picture at all. But filled with profound dialog - a very meaningful movie though I would have liked to see its creater offer some solutions to those terrible problems.

Sita · 12-24-2008, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sultan

i! am getting increasingly irritated by and dismissive of institutional religion.

Actually, that was not my quote. But I certainly understand the sentiment. As someone whose ancestry is Sephardic Jewish but whose family was forcibly converted to Christianity by the Inquisition at the point of a sword, I have to agree that society and the world is better off if it remains tolerant.
I know It was lizaj's it was just easier to reply to it with your post in one big swoop - just me being lazy - my reply still stands though T.P all the way

Battle of Algiers

Watched it MANY moons ago. It was very popular in NYC college campuses in the late 60s and early 70s. That was well before your time, of course.

As I try to explain on other web forums, it was not Islamic extremists who invented terrorism. After all, it was "Christian" England that invaded Egypt, Iran, Iraq, and the Indian subcontinent. "Christian" Italy, France, and Spain that invaded Tunisia and Libya. And it was "Christian" France and Spain that invaded Morocco and Algeria. MILLIONS died because of these inhuman acts of barbarity. Therefore, the question is, who are the real terrorists?Very true you are preaching to the choir. My professor was trying to explain the female form of moudjadine - and after breakng down the word, pointed out it's what we used to called the fighters in Afghanistan (when they were against Russia and being bankrolled by the CIA) now their all just reffered to as terrorist

The time has come for reconciliation. The world would definitely be better off it we had this today.true

Thank you for posting the information on the film, I must try to get hold of a copy of it.

Sita

Pia · 12-28-2008, 08:51 PM

Its a very good (though very sad) film.I think that everyone should see it

khanjar · 12-29-2008, 04:17 PM

I dislike the term, 'Religion', as that to me implies an organised belief, whereas my belief, I take as a spirituality, and is as disorganised as I like it. I have no one telling me what to believe, what is the right way etc, that I define for myself and have found by using my belief, often it is I have changed my viewpoint as I have learned more.

In any way that men love me, in that same way they find my love: for many are the paths of men, but they all in the end come to me.

Krsihna, Bhagavad Gita 4:11

Wise words, though not of my belief, but I believe all beliefs in essence.

Amri_ · 01-02-2009, 12:03 AM

I am supposed to be christian. Supposed to be. But I concider all religions meaningful, because all religions have one goal- to make path between God( whatever his name is- Allah, Budda or smth else), and people, us so we could communicate. LOL. That's why for me it's never a matter where to pray. We all pray to one God. And when I'm in Turkey I go to jami and pray with muslim women, when here, in Russia if I feel like going to church I go there. I can also go to jewish or any other church- I just don't care. I can easily be called as muslim( I don't eat pork. Just because it tastes really awfully and unhealthy), I don't kill, I don't still, I don't cheat and I am not involved in adultry- general & basic " don't-s" for every religion I think. That's my point of view. I don't care wich religion is supposed to be "last" and right and wich religion is supposed to be " first" and also right, I don't care who tells what. Anyways, we all cannot be sure who is right now- when people die they go somewhere and they realise where the truth is. But they cannot come back to tell it to us, right? Nor they can give us a message saying " people! the right religion is this"? for example. So I think that all debates about with religion is right and wich is not are useless. For me it doesn't matter what religion I am. I read all religious books, I sum everything and try to gather common things for all those books. This is supposed to be the very truth, if it's written almost in all books. So that's what my religion is.
What do U guys think on this subject?

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12-29-2008, 04:17 PM	#69 (permalink)
khanjar V.I.P. Join Date: May 2008 Location: England Posts: 1,113	I dislike the term, 'Religion', as that to me implies an organised belief, whereas my belief, I take as a spirituality, and is as disorganised as I like it. I have no one telling me what to believe, what is the right way etc, that I define for myself and have found by using my belief, often it is I have changed my viewpoint as I have learned more. In any way that men love me, in that same way they find my love: for many are the paths of men, but they all in the end come to me. Krsihna, Bhagavad Gita 4:11 Wise words, though not of my belief, but I believe all beliefs in essence. __________________ "All that we are is the result of what we have thought, what we think we become.''

01-02-2009, 12:03 AM	#70 (permalink)
Amri_ Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Russia-Turkey Posts: 125	I am supposed to be christian. Supposed to be. But I concider all religions meaningful, because all religions have one goal- to make path between God( whatever his name is- Allah, Budda or smth else), and people, us so we could communicate. LOL. That's why for me it's never a matter where to pray. We all pray to one God. And when I'm in Turkey I go to jami and pray with muslim women, when here, in Russia if I feel like going to church I go there. I can also go to jewish or any other church- I just don't care. I can easily be called as muslim( I don't eat pork. Just because it tastes really awfully and unhealthy), I don't kill, I don't still, I don't cheat and I am not involved in adultry- general & basic " don't-s" for every religion I think. That's my point of view. I don't care wich religion is supposed to be "last" and right and wich religion is supposed to be " first" and also right, I don't care who tells what. Anyways, we all cannot be sure who is right now- when people die they go somewhere and they realise where the truth is. But they cannot come back to tell it to us, right? Nor they can give us a message saying " people! the right religion is this"? for example. So I think that all debates about with religion is right and wich is not are useless. For me it doesn't matter what religion I am. I read all religious books, I sum everything and try to gather common things for all those books. This is supposed to be the very truth, if it's written almost in all books. So that's what my religion is. What do U guys think on this subject? __________________ the one who's happy is always right.

12-23-2008, 04:04 AM	#61 (permalink)
sultan Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 188	i! am getting increasingly irritated by and dismissive of institutional religion. I just watched the movie Rachida by Yamina Bachir-Chouikh which dealt with religiously caused violence in Algeria. If these events are true as portrayed in that movie, I can certainly understand your viewpoint. Let's hope that everyone can learn to respect each other's religion without any form of prejudice. Meantime, a Wonderful Holiday Season to ALL!

12-23-2008, 09:42 PM	#63 (permalink)
sultan Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 188	i! am getting increasingly irritated by and dismissive of institutional religion. Actually, that was not my quote. But I certainly understand the sentiment. As someone whose ancestry is Sephardic Jewish but whose family was forcibly converted to Christianity by the Inquisition at the point of a sword, I have to agree that society and the world is better off if it remains tolerant. Battle of Algiers Watched it MANY moons ago. It was very popular in NYC college campuses in the late 60s and early 70s. That was well before your time, of course. As I try to explain on other web forums, it was not Islamic extremists who invented terrorism. After all, it was "Christian" England that invaded Egypt, Iran, Iraq, and the Indian subcontinent. "Christian" Italy, France, and Spain that invaded Tunisia and Libya. And it was "Christian" France and Spain that invaded Morocco and Algeria. MILLIONS died because of these inhuman acts of barbarity. Therefore, the question is, who are the real terrorists? The time has come for reconciliation. The world would definitely be better off it we had this today.

12-24-2008, 03:26 AM	#65 (permalink)
sultan Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 188	Hi KN! A fond Merry Christmas to you + yours:

12-24-2008, 03:34 AM	#66 (permalink)
sultan Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 188	Rachida: A very realistic portrayal of life in war torn Algeria. The movie captured the great intensitty and anxiety that existed there in those turbulent times. Not a pretty or happy picture at all. But filled with profound dialog - a very meaningful movie though I would have liked to see its creater offer some solutions to those terrible problems.

12-28-2008, 08:51 PM	#68 (permalink)
Pia Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Cearleon Wales Posts: 104	Its a very good (though very sad) film.I think that everyone should see it