Belly dance and religion - Page 9

Tarik Sultan · 01-02-2007, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bin_rodi

there is no proof sir you are a collage educated history teacher
and let me repeat it: you already gave me non-accurate information before
and you already red my opinion in your photos

You want me to scan a photo of my diploma for you?

Can you prove that you have a collage education?

bin_rodi · 01-02-2007, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarik Sultan

I really think a big part of the problem is that you don't speak English very well, that's why you don't understand what I'm telling you.

I mentioned Fif Abdo dancing in Galabeya to prove that you don't have to wear a bedlah to dance. And since the galabeya is the traditional dress of Egypt it existed long before westerners came there.

thanks for the advice
i will study english and when i become good i'll discuss it with you, bye

Tarik Sultan · 01-02-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bin_rodi

don't stereotype the internet

anyway this still never prove that Islam allow belly dancing

and never prove Muslim woman used to dance in veil and whole body covered before westerners hear about belly dancing

listen sir, i have an idea:
i think you said you visit Egypt always, so why don't you go to the nearest mosque of your hotel and ask it's imam if Islam allow belly dancing
and let's see what he gonna answer you
tell him you are a belly dancer and tell us what he gonna say about you

to the nearest hotel not nearest bar, because i don't wanna you say stuff like:
he does not represent Islam or the imam don't know about Islam well

I already asked several Imams years ago. They also knew that I am a dancer because I told them. They were very honest in their answer to me.

Bin Rodi I don't understand whay you are not hearing me. How many times have I told you I ALREADY KNOW THAT ISLAMIC TEACHERS, IMAMS ETC DO NOT SUPPORT DANCE, I KNOW THAT ALREADY, SO WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL ME?

I tell you what, why don't you go to your priest and ask him if the Coptic church supports belly dancing, can you show me in the bible where it says Christainity supports women who dance and sing in public?

Shanazel · 01-02-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bin_rodi

don't stereotype the internet

Okay, I'm leaping in here and I hope I don't regret it.

I have about 35 years of background in legal and historical and biological research. I do research daily in the course of my job, and the internet is my least trusted source unless I am using a site of known quality such as WestLaw or various Secretary of State sites. I have even tripped across inaccuracies in each of these. All good research is checked, cross-checked, and confirmed in multiple independent sources before a hypothesis is cautiously accepted as a possible fact.

The poorest sort of research begins with a hypothesis and a researcher who says, "I will, by god, prove that I am right." Such a researcher tends to accept all evidence that backs up his contention and ignore all that does not. The best researchers formulate their hypothesis without passionate attachment to being right or wrong, and explore every avenue in an attempt to uncover the truth of the matter.

I do not trust the internet for the same reasons Tarik lists, nor do I trust any single source of information unless it is backed to the hilt with independent research and, if possible, primary sources. I was the terror of undergraduate students writing poorly researched papers when I taught agriculture thirty years ago, and I make no apologies for it now. Shoddy research makes me nuts. Good research leads to some stiff arguments, but those arguments can move the debaters further down the road of knowledge as long as the debaters aren't totally stuck on their own pet theories.

I will now step carefully off my soapbox, trying to avoid any sensitive toes in the process.

Tarik Sultan · 01-02-2007, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bin_rodi

thanks for the advice
i will study english and when i become good i'll discuss it with you, bye

Hopefully I won't be too old by the time that happens

Aniseteph · 01-02-2007, 10:05 PM

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i really trust the internet

Sorry, but

. LMAO

The internet is just the modern equivalent of writing on walls.

Apologies if this is stereotyping the internet, but it really is.

Tarik Sultan · 01-02-2007, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dipali

i am often labeled as an atheist . But i do question some very basic things about religion.
I have never felt God , But i do not condemn Religion either, But i do condemn any kind of extremism. Religions have been altered by the vested interests of professional priests of all religions. In all countries, it should be accepted by all that the spread & propaganda of extreme thoughts is only an excuse for the bread & butter of some people which they want to earn on the name of religion. If we are to advance in any field for welfare of humanity, we shall have to free ourselves from the bonds of conservative & extreme thoughts. Not only this, we shall have to firmly oppose & stand against the people who thrust upon us the Anti-Humanity thoughts. We shall have to accept that the people, who in the guise of priests, give sugar coated pills against humanity in the name of religion, with the lessons of religions are the real & the greatest foes of humanity.

I totally agree

Salome · 01-03-2007, 01:54 AM

Dear members,

I think it would facilitate more fruitful discussion if we chose to focus more on the topic Chryssanthi started instead of other members, just a suggestion.

Rebecca_ · 01-03-2007, 02:33 AM

So this is a thread about bellydance and religion. We have discussed what religions don't support bellydance, but which ones do? It seems like it's mostly the polytheistic pagan type religions that support a woman's choice to dance or not dance. Are there any monotheistic religions that don't look down upon bellydance? What do Hindus think about bellydance? Buddists?

Suheir · 01-03-2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rebecca_

So this is a thread about bellydance and religion. We have discussed what religions don't support bellydance, but which ones do? It seems like it's mostly the polytheistic pagan type religions that support a woman's choice to dance or not dance. Are there any monotheistic religions that don't look down upon bellydance? What do Hindus think about bellydance? Buddists?

I don't know what Hindus think about belly dance but I did read a newspaper article recently about female call centre workers in India - those who work shifts are thought to automatically be prostitutes as they go out to work by themselves at night.

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01-03-2007, 01:54 AM	#88 (permalink)
Salome Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Corvallis, Oregon, USA Posts: 1,842	Dear members, I think it would facilitate more fruitful discussion if we chose to focus more on the topic Chryssanthi started instead of other members, just a suggestion.