Tarik Sultan

To be honest with you, there is nothing in the Torah, Christian Bible, or the Koran that I know of that says a woman should not be a dancer, or a singer.

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Originally Posted by bin_rodi any way do you mean that kor'an command woman to put on veil and never show parts of her body and it's okay with belly dancing???!!!!!!!!! how come kor'an ban this and allow that???

The Koran, The Bible and the Torah all teach that women should cover their bodies and hair. Not only the but even the Ancient Greeks, who didn't even believe in one God, made their women cover in public. In fact, the Ancient Greeks were the first ones to force their women to stay in the house and not talk to men outside the family. This was thousands of years before Islam,

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Originally Posted by bin_rodi unless you think it's okay in kor'an to woman to belly dance while covering her body and hair, it better call it then tent dance not belly dance

Are you aware of the fact that #1: The bedlah was invented by Americans and Europeans in the late 1800s

#2: dancers in Egypt and other Middle eastern countries only started wearing bedlit raks since the 1930s because that is what American and European tourists wanted to see. Before the 1930s ALL the dancers were completely covered and in Turkey, during the Osmanli period, the few women who did dance in front of men did it with their hair and face covered.
If you want to see pictures of how Egyptian dancers dressed, go to my website at:
http://www.tariksultan.com then click on articles, then click on "What is Middle Eastern Dance"? Scroll down to the end and you will see the pictures and drawings. By the way, there are also pictures of the male dancers also.

By the way, Fifi Abdo is famous for dancing in galabeya

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Originally Posted by bin_rodi all the verses from bible you show is right, but you know the concept of instructions in Christianity is different than instructions in Islam they call it in Arabic "Fard" i can't explain the word in english but it's mean that kor'an COMMAND people to do that and they MUST do it but in Christianity the bible RECOMMEND to people to SHOULD do it

Rodi, what is written in the Christian Bible was also fard. You forget that my family are all traditional christians. If you don't believe me look at every picture of the Virgin Mary, how is she dressed? Look at nuns, how are they dressed. If you don't believe my, why don't you make a picture of the Virgin Mary wearing a belly dance costume. Take it to your church, hang it up and see what happens to you. Better yet, go to your church and ask your priest if the Coptic church believes its okay for a woman to wear a beblah and be a dancer.

bin_rodi

Aisha Azar

Dear Tarik,
Like you, I was raised as a Christian. I found the religion to be completely based on "Fard". They are not called the "Ten Suggestions", but the "Ten Commandments". The Catholic religion would send you straight to hell for the mortal sin of not going to Mass on Sunday. Telling a small lie would get you sent to purgatory, where you would burn sort of like a temporary Hell until the "sin" was burned away. Everything had a law and everything was punishable. Besides the Ten Commandments, there were also the 7 Deadly Sins and dozens of other rules and laws. If you ate meat on Friday terrible things could happen to you in the afterlife.
I am in complete agreement with you in the matter of whether or not the Christian religion "suggests" as opposed to commanding. From the New Testament, one can only be saved and get to heaven if they believe Jesus died for their sins and that they themselves have no access to God except for through Jesus. The rest of us will rot in Hell, I guess.
Regards,
A'isha

Tarik Sultan

Did you look at the pictures and photos on my website? I don't think you did.

Rodi, its obvious that there is a lot about this dance that you do not know. It is a well known fact that the bedlah was in fact invented by Europeans. It represented their fantasy of the East. The first Egyptians to wear it worked for Badia Masabni in her night club, the Casino Opera. Every dancer in here knows this.

Since you ask me where I get my information, as I told you, I have a college degree in history and I was a history teacher as well. I have been to the Sultan's palace in Istanbul in Turkey, I know how the women dressed because their clothes are still on display. There are also dozens of photographs of Egyptian and dancers which show how thwey dressed. There are even more letters written by Europeans from as far back as 300 years ago that discribe what the dancers wore, THEY WERE ALWAYS COVERD.
(Can someone else besides A'isha back me up on this and maybe even offer a website with photos or pictures?).

Rodi, can I ask two questions,
#1. where in Cairo do you live?
#2. where do you get your information about this dance's history?

Tarik Sultan

I Know what "Fard" means. As I'm trying to explain to you, at the time the New Testament was written it was FARD that all christian and Jewish women dress in what we call hijab today. You do know that the first christians were Jews don't you?

Rodi, there is soooomuch about christianity and the different forms of christianity that you do not know. Not only I, but several other people have been giving you information about different forms of christianity in America and Europe.

I see by your profile that you are only 25. Do you mind if I ask you have you gone to University and if so where?

Zorba

This has always been my understanding as well - those who know these things far better than I have repeated it for years!

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"The Veiled Male"
http://www.doubleveil.net
"There is nothing sadder than a veil, that is for sale."

Yasmine Bint Al Nubia

Hi Tarik, I think you and Aisha are doing a wonderul job in pesenting information! Frankly, I don't how you or anyone else can make someone understand what is so clearly written. You can't put an "old head on young shoulders" as my mama used to say.
Yasmine

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bin_rodi

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Tarik Sultan

So let me see if I understand you. You are willing to believe something you see on a website, but not information given to you by a collage educated history teacher.

You are willing to believe a website, but not actual photographs of real dancers from 100 years ago.

I think this should be proof to everyone that just because a person comes from a certain Middle Easter country doesn't neccessarily mean they know anything about the history of this dance.