Tarik Sultan

These suras don't say anything about dancing. They are talking about what is considered the descent way of dressing for a woman, and that a man should not speak directly to another man's wife in order to make sure there is no temptation to commit adultery.

There is nothing here that is any different from what christianity teaches.

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Originally Posted by bin_rodi so if any body wanna show by verses from Bible how Christianity ban belly dancing, please go ahead and be my guest happy new year everybody

Okay, I will. Taken from the modern translation of the New Testament from the New Jerusalem Bible.

1Corinthians 11:6 - Indeed, if a woman does go wsithout a veil, she should have her hair cut off too; but it is a shameful thing for a woman to have her hair cut off or shaved off, then she should wear a veil.

1Timothy 2:9-10 - Similarly women are to wear suitable clothes and to dress quietly and modestly, without braided hair or gold or jewlery or expensive clothes. Their adornment is to do good works that are proper for women whgo claim to be religious.

DOES CHRISTIANITY TEACH EQALITY BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN?

1Timothy 2: 11-12 - During instruction, a woman should be quiet and respectful. I give no permission to a womanto teach or have authority over a man. A woman ought to be quiet.

OTHER INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW A CHRISTION WOMAN IS EXPECTED TO DRESS.

1Peter 3:3-5 - Your adornment should be not an exterior one, consisting of braided hair or gold jewlery or fine clothing, but the interior disposition of the heart, consisting in the imperishable quality of a gentle and peaceful spirit, so percious in the sight of God. That was how holy women of the past dressed themselves attractively - they hoped in God and were submissiveto their husbands.

As you can see, there is nothing in the Christian Bible, called the New Testament, that is different from what the Koran teaches when it comes to how a woman should dress and act.

Both the Bible and Koran teach that women should wear a veil and dress simple. The Christian Bible also teaches that women are inferior to men because they should be quiet and have no authority over men. There it is in Black and white, not what tradition says, but what the Bible, which Christians believe is the word of God says.

One last thing, we must remember that the first Christians, like Jesus himself, were Jews. Therefore, if we look in the Old Testament, known as the Torah, we will find similar teachings about women's dress and behavior..
Jewdaism, Christianity and Islam all agree when it comes to how women should dress and behave.

Had two shows tonight, damn I'm tired Happy New Year and Kulli Sana wa inta tayib

Kaydeera

Hello everybody,

I feel driven to add a thought that has come up in my mind while reading the posts of this threat:

As a woman I feel offended by the religious believes I have come into contact with.

What right did or does any founder of a religious concept have to divide humankind into two qualitatively different classes – men and women?

I wonder – is there a religious concept founded by a woman?

And if we owe our existance to “God” – for what purpose were we given the ability to feel and give joy, if we are not to use it? – What else is bellydancing, dancing of any kind, singing, music, but the ability to feel and give joy?

In catholic mass the priest chants, churchbells ring, the Qur’an is recited in a chanting way – for me that is music.

I think, I don’t believe in much of anything, because I don’t like the restrictions that come along with all these accredited religions.
I try to respect anybody’s way of life, even if I don’t approve of it.

Aisha Azar

Dear Kaydeera,
There is some evidence that Jesus MIGHT hve taught a sort of spiritual equality among the sexes. There is a book called "The Gnostic Gospels" that tells about a Chrisitan sect that discusses Mary Magdalene as an Apostle and perhaps the lover or wife of Jesus. It is an interesting read. Some of the rules that the Apostle Paul wrote about women sitting in the back of the church and shutting up might even be directly related to the habit among Gnostics of letting anyone, including women, speak and preach at their religious meetings. ( It is also true, that his buddy, if I am remembering correctly her name was Priscilla was not subject to these same rules.) We also have to remember that not all of Mohammed's wives (Peace be on him) just sat around letting him dictate what they would do. They used to argue with him and according to Nawal Al Saadawi, they even questioned whether everything he dictated about women actually came from God or he just said it to make his own life easier.
We need to keep in mind that men and women wore veils, headgear, etc in the Middle East for a very long time before either the Christians or the Muslims dictated it. In the Qur'an it is dictated that both men and women dress modestly. It was common sense to cover oneself against the sun, just like at the time it was common sense not to eat pork because of rampant trichinosis and it was common sense not to drink alcohol if one lived in the desert, as it deydrates the body.
If you look at pictures of people in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf today, who has their hair covered?? Nearly EVERYONE of both sexes.
Regards,
A'isha

Aniseteph

I find it offensive too Kaydeera.

I guess the standard argument is that these religions tell women AND men how to behave, and if men did their bit too we females would all be happy little cared-for bunnies cleaning our houses, cooking, washing, looking after a houseful of children and being blissfully contented... Funny how it's mostly patriarchal religions telling us we should be cooking the tea and washing men's socks and not bothering our delicate little brains with Complicated Mens Important Stuff* that we wouldn't understand.

And you wonder why they don't approve of bellydance...

* shhhh... don't tell, but some of it isn't actually that complicated.

Suheir

Correct. In the UK, it was rare to see a man outside without a hat 60 years ago, almost all women wore a headscarf or hat and in a Christian church women were required to cover their heads and men to remove their hats! Last week I saw an historical re-enactment at the Tower of London - the upper-class mediaeval women all wore a garment that completely covered their heads and necks with a veil on top of that. I think one of the reasons for the current reactionary attitude to Muslim veiling in Europe is that the wearing of headscarves for women is completely out of fashion.

bin_rodi

[quote=Tarik Sultan;16134][quote=bin_rodi;16121][font="Tahoma"][size="3"][color="RoyalBlue"]guys you are missing the main point
the thread is about "the religions and belly dancing"
and not about "the behavior of people who believe in these religions toward the belly dancing"

i show with these links that Islam forbid belly dancing, music and any art by woman in fact


here is some more:

kor'an 33.53 tells the believers
"If you ask his wives for anything, speak to them from behind a curtain. This is more chaste for your hearts and their hearts."

kor'an 33:59 Allah says:
"Prophet enjoin your wives, your daughters and the wives of true believers to draw their veils close round them. This is more proper, so that they may be recognized and not be molested."

as long as you said the verses i show from kor'an never mentioned the belly dancing, so does yours from the bible mentioned the belly dancing??

any way do you mean that kor'an command woman to put on veil and never show parts of her body and it's okay with belly dancing???!!!!!!!!!
how come kor'an ban this and allow that???
unless you think it's okay in kor'an to woman to belly dance while covering her body and hair, it better call it then tent dance not belly dance

all the verses from bible you show is right, but you know the concept of instructions in Christianity is different than instructions in Islam

they call it in Arabic "Fard" i can't explain the word in english but it's mean that kor'an COMMAND people to do that and they MUST do it

but in Christianity the bible RECOMMEND to people to SHOULD do it

bin_rodi

chryssanthi sahar

Dear Bin Rodi.
I'm afraid, you have to improve your English. You seem to understand many things that we are writing here wrong, because your English is not good enough. I never said, that Islam is tolerant against belly dance! You understood what I wrote completely wrong I KNOW THAT ISLAM IS AGAINST BELLY DANCE, but I don't care what Islam thinks of belly dance, because I am not a Moslem. What I wanted to say (as Tarik, who understood my writing, was trying to explain you), is that there are not only Moslems who are intolerant towards belly dancing, but also fanatic Christians. But I don't care about both them.
I know that is difficult to debate things in a foreign language, English is also for me a foreign language, but at least I have a look at a dictionary, if there are words which I don't understand. You don't seem to do that. You understand many things that people write here wrong and then you offend them, because you have understood something totally different, of what they have said. Please be sure, that you have understood the message before you answer to it. And if you are not sure, ask somebody who understands English better than you. Otherwise we are going to have misunderstandings all of the time.

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bin_rodi

chryssanthi sahar

I hope I didn't offend you telling this directly, but I know from myself. I also understood many things wrong, when my English was not as good as it is today (o.k. even today it is not perfect, but good enough to understand almost everything written here the right way. Except if somebody writes in a strange dialect ) and I also had some fights with people, because I misunderstood them. The same and worse was with my German in the first years I moved to Germany. So I had to study hard in order to be able to understand the language, the way native speakers use it. I know, it is difficult to do so, especially when you don't live in a country where this language is spoken. But one possibility is to make friends with native speakers and just ask them, when you don't understand something
I wish you a very happy New Year

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