Style specific movements - Page 5

Aisha Azar · 03-07-2008, 04:56 PM

Dear Gang,
Okay, let's see if I can get this right....

Arabic translation of "slut puppy from hell"

Ghebeh kelbeh Jehenem...??? I think that's close...???

Regards,
A'isha
Who loves to swear!!

sausanacademy · 03-09-2008, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by janaki

Hi all,

I am interseted to find out about the dance movements that are specific to egyptian, turkish and lebanese style raqs sharqi. Folklore dances are not included. For me egyptian style is very centred and movements are smaller and controlled. Turkish is kinda opposite to egyptian style..bigger and bouncier movements. Lebanese style for is in between egyptian and turkish. Movements are more floaty and more use of arms. I am more into egytian style and I know more about this style than other two.My question is are there any difference in execution of movements from technical point of view not the flavour/style they are executed. Are there any movements that only specific to lebanese or egyptian or turkish style. I have my own theories based on the research and studies I have done. I would like to know your thoughts on this.

Hugs
Janaki

Hi, Janaki:

The differences in movement between Lebanese, Turkish, and Egyptian is the differences between their cultures. Egyptian style may be, as you stated, smaller and more controlled in this day and age, but the Egyptian dancing of the past was not the smaller, more controlled style you see today. If you watch Samia Gamal, Samiha Tawfique, and Zizi Moustafa, for example, you'll see very little "smaller more controlled" movement, although it is complete and polished. And they all look Egyptian.

The Egyptians have a way of hearing the music that is not the same as the way the Lebanese or the Turks hear the music. Additionally, the Egyptians have certain colloquial expressions that usually transfer into the dance, and this varies as well from city to city and region to region.

The Lebanese have a more European/Western flavor to the dance because they are so close in proximity to Europe that many of the European and/or Western expressions have filtered into their culture. The Turks have an altogether different language, so their expressions are altogether different.

I hope this helps.

-Sausan

Mark_Balahadia · 04-18-2008, 04:30 AM

Lebanese costumes usually have bigger beads and the bras are made with a wide band on the bottom (for added support and it makes the chest "look" bigger). Lebanese tend to stick with the bra/belt/skirt combination more than their Egyptian counterparts but there are exceptions. Not sure why though but someone once told me the Lebanese love froo-froo costumes

Example A: http://www.arabiccelebrities.com/ima...Miriella-4.jpg

Mark_Balahadia · 04-18-2008, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A'isha Azar

Dear Gang,
Okay, let's see if I can get this right....

Arabic translation of "slut puppy from hell"

Ghebeh kelbeh Jehenem...??? I think that's close...???

Regards,
A'isha
Who loves to swear!!

Ga7ba l-Kalba fee Jahenem

Jane · 04-19-2008, 05:44 PM

I took a Turkish 9/8 private lesson from Helene Eriksen about two weeks ago. She showed me how the real Turkish Oriental style 9/8 uses the folkdance based foot work and body posture as opposed to the Egyptian or American BD style. It makes a vast difference to the authentic look of the dance. I've taken several Turkish BD workshops and I've never had anyone start with the Turkish folkloric footwork before. The Turkish style workshops I took before, like Dahlena's, were closer to the old style Egyptian or old school American Cabaret style. Still danced to the 9/8, bigger bouncier moves, Turkish hips and chest work, *but* without the Turkish footwork as a base.

On the list, we go back and forth sometimes about Didem's dance and how much we don't like it when she, and similar dancers, dance to Egyptian music. Everyone likes it better when she does Turkish music with Turkish dance. I think the big difference is that she *is* Turkish, dancing for a Turkish audience and getting their energy feedback, and using that Turkish based footwork and dance technique.

Aisha Azar · 04-28-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark_Balahadia

Ga7ba l-Kalba fee Jahenem

Dearest Markito,
Thanks, Darling!!Love, A.

Mark_Balahadia · 04-28-2008, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark_Balahadia

Ga7ba l-Kalba fee Jahenem

Actually more like Ga7ba l-kalba minil Jahenem. Oops

Madeline · 05-02-2008, 07:31 AM

Hey everybody!

Wow, I can’t believe I managed to survive this long without posting here. It’s so great to be back! (Let me guess; now everyone will run in the opposite direction as fast as they can...

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I remember hearing that Maya Abi Saad had to stop dancing entirely because she hurt her back. I guess that’s what happens after doing all of those backbends and jerky moves. But I must admit I absolutely love the “chunky” look of Lebanese costumes! That’s by far my favorite style of costume (and music)!

Madeline

03-07-2008, 04:56 PM	#41 (permalink)
Aisha Azar V.I.P. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Pacific Northwest USA Posts: 4,516	Lebanese Dear Gang, Okay, let's see if I can get this right.... Arabic translation of "slut puppy from hell" Ghebeh kelbeh Jehenem...??? I think that's close...??? Regards, A'isha Who loves to swear!!

04-18-2008, 04:30 AM	#43 (permalink)
Mark_Balahadia Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: balad ra'eesa Posts: 204	Lebanese costumes usually have bigger beads and the bras are made with a wide band on the bottom (for added support and it makes the chest "look" bigger). Lebanese tend to stick with the bra/belt/skirt combination more than their Egyptian counterparts but there are exceptions. Not sure why though but someone once told me the Lebanese love froo-froo costumes Example A: http://www.arabiccelebrities.com/ima...Miriella-4.jpg __________________ badde 3eish!!! www.markbalahadia.com

05-02-2008, 07:31 AM	#48 (permalink)
Madeline Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 303	Hey everybody! Wow, I can’t believe I managed to survive this long without posting here. It’s so great to be back! (Let me guess; now everyone will run in the opposite direction as fast as they can...) I remember hearing that Maya Abi Saad had to stop dancing entirely because she hurt her back. I guess that’s what happens after doing all of those backbends and jerky moves. But I must admit I absolutely love the “chunky” look of Lebanese costumes! That’s by far my favorite style of costume (and music)! Madeline

04-19-2008, 05:44 PM	#45 (permalink)
Jane Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: In the mountains Posts: 443	I took a Turkish 9/8 private lesson from Helene Eriksen about two weeks ago. She showed me how the real Turkish Oriental style 9/8 uses the folkdance based foot work and body posture as opposed to the Egyptian or American BD style. It makes a vast difference to the authentic look of the dance. I've taken several Turkish BD workshops and I've never had anyone start with the Turkish folkloric footwork before. The Turkish style workshops I took before, like Dahlena's, were closer to the old style Egyptian or old school American Cabaret style. Still danced to the 9/8, bigger bouncier moves, Turkish hips and chest work, but without the Turkish footwork as a base. On the list, we go back and forth sometimes about Didem's dance and how much we don't like it when she, and similar dancers, dance to Egyptian music. Everyone likes it better when she does Turkish music with Turkish dance. I think the big difference is that she is Turkish, dancing for a Turkish audience and getting their energy feedback, and using that Turkish based footwork and dance technique.