Props and animals in dance - Page 2

Andrea Deagon · 01-23-2008, 02:36 AM

Just to clarify -- The video of Princess Rajah shows her doing a brief oriental dance and an act where she balances a chair in her teeth; it lasts a little over minute. It's available free of charge from the Library of Congress American Memories site (too lazy to look up the link) and I think is also available free on several other web sites too. No video of the snake dance, just recollections by old vaudevillians and archival photos (though none with the actual snake). But, I would love to know what she did with it!

Joy in dance,
Andrea

adiemus · 01-23-2008, 07:47 AM

Thanks so much Andrea for your info - and Serpentessa, I'm glad to hear your thoughts on the humane treatment of snakes, as no animal should suffer for the sake of human desire to 'entertain'!
What a rich heritage we have today, what a shame so much is lost in history too..

Lydia dubai · 01-23-2008, 08:21 AM

Hi there i am with you about all animalacts i do pitty animals used for circus enz...Daniella (the bird that i use) is not only just a prop....she was rescued from the petmarket in a very poor condition and would have died if the trainer did not take her home,she can not be in the wild because she was born in captivety and dont know how to hunt yet,aswell she would not servive this birds are hunted here and shot because they pray on falcons and falcons are used traditional in the gulf for hunting sindts century,s and are very expensive birds so the owners are not happy to see eagle,s around and shoot them...so Daniella is now with this person the trainer,and he is getting her a mate, so little ones can be born and set free at the moment there are just a few left it the wild overhere and the same trainer now is trying to get a law treu that it is forbidden to shoot them....so he is doing a great job,aswell after the show the audiance is able to have a close look at daniella and the trainer is talking about her and her species so its a educational and very nice oportunety to understand abou this bird and habitat and that its not good to kill them...beside that she is amazing, i am not realy ,,dancing,, with her she is far to heavy anyway,but she comes flying to me at one point in the show sits on my arm for 2 ,3 minutes and fly back to the trainer that is standing about 30 meters away from me,specialy when we are in the desert to perform its realy amazing to watch....

adiemus · 01-23-2008, 08:24 AM

That sounds so great Lydia, it's wonderful to see how you have helped people understand her, and what a wonderful educational opportunity (oh and how incredible to be able to see such an amazing bird close-up!!)

Lydia dubai · 01-23-2008, 08:39 AM

If there would be space somewhere i love to share some pics of here at home and with the trainer ,you will love her Adiemus,but i dont know where i could post the picture,s perhaps i can send it to your private mailbox or something?

Serpentessa · 01-23-2008, 04:20 PM

Hi Lydia,

How wonderful to hear what you are doing with your eagle Daniella! Helping the trainer educate people through your show is somewhat similar to what I do in shows as well except that I'm the trainer and dancer combined. Sometimes I'm so wrapped up in snakes I can't tell the difference.http://forum.orientaldancer.net/imag...lies/think.gif

I'd love to see photos or video when you get a chance. I've enjoyed watching your other posted videos....you have a very engaging quality in your dance and persona. I'm certain that lets people relax after the initial wow factor of seeing Daniella fly onto you! I've helped many a person understand their instinctual fear of snakes and move towards another choice to perhaps touch the snake through my belly dancing and entertainment gigs. It's like they see us do it first and may be naturally inspired to do so themselves.

My first 3 serpents were some rescues, some who needed new homes. And then they enchanted me! Baby snakes happened by accident so I now have 9 of the same species. Plenty enough to not overwork any one snake....this is very important.

In closing, I wanted to add that the bird and the snake are the two animal totems found in nearly every culture's mythologies over many thousands of years. They are known for their profound natural metaphorical wisdom even as in nature they are predator and prey in equal measure to each other. For humanity they also represent the paradox of the body and the soul: the snake is the cycle of life/death/rebirth and the bird is transcendance of the immortal soul.

You are the first person I know honoring the eagle in some of your dance shows. That is inspiring to me. Please show us pictures when you can!

Your friendly neighborhood snake priestess,
Serpentessa

Serpentessa · 01-23-2008, 04:21 PM

Hi Lydia,

How wonderful to hear what you are doing with your eagle Daniella! Helping the trainer educate people through your show is somewhat similar to what I do in shows as well except that I'm the trainer and dancer combined. Sometimes I'm so wrapped up in snakes I can't tell the difference. ;>0

I'd love to see photos or video when you get a chance. I've enjoyed watching your other posted videos....you have a very engaging quality in your dance and persona. I'm certain that lets people relax after the initial wow factor of seeing Daniella fly onto you! I've helped many a person understand their instinctual fear of snakes and move towards another choice to perhaps touch the snake through my belly dancing and entertainment gigs. It's like they see us do it first and may be naturally inspired to do so themselves.

My first 3 serpents were some rescues, some who needed new homes. And then they enchanted me! Baby snakes happened by accident so I now have 9 of the same species. Plenty enough to not overwork any one snake....this is very important.

In closing, I wanted to add that the bird and the snake are the two animal totems found in nearly every culture's mythologies over many thousands of years. They are known for their profound natural metaphorical wisdom even as in nature they are predator and prey in equal measure to each other. For humanity they also represent the paradox of the body and the soul: the snake is the cycle of life/death/rebirth and the bird is transcendance of the immortal soul.

You are the first person I know honoring the eagle in some of your dance shows. That is inspiring to me. Please show us pictures when you can!

Your friendly neighborhood snake priestess,
Serpentessa

Lydia dubai · 01-24-2008, 07:49 AM

serpentessa....thank you for the nice compliments!! if you send me a private emailadres i will mail some of her pictures some other members did the same..i dont know if it would be the correct thing to mail them in this threat or anywhere else in the forum, but i love to share the pics with anybody that is interested...have a great day ,Lydia

adiemus · 01-27-2008, 05:26 AM

And they're wonderful photographs!!! thank you Lydia!

Lydia dubai · 01-27-2008, 07:47 AM

you are welcome...i send them to anybody that want to peek ,hope that the animalcarefever catch on LOL ,HAVE AGREAT DAY

01-23-2008, 02:36 AM	#11 (permalink)
Andrea Deagon Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 123	Just to clarify -- The video of Princess Rajah shows her doing a brief oriental dance and an act where she balances a chair in her teeth; it lasts a little over minute. It's available free of charge from the Library of Congress American Memories site (too lazy to look up the link) and I think is also available free on several other web sites too. No video of the snake dance, just recollections by old vaudevillians and archival photos (though none with the actual snake). But, I would love to know what she did with it! Joy in dance, Andrea __________________ "I am not contradictory, I am dispersed." (Roland Barthes)

01-23-2008, 07:47 AM	#12 (permalink)
adiemus Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Christchurch, New Zealand Posts: 975	Thanks so much Andrea for your info - and Serpentessa, I'm glad to hear your thoughts on the humane treatment of snakes, as no animal should suffer for the sake of human desire to 'entertain'! What a rich heritage we have today, what a shame so much is lost in history too.. __________________ He wahine, he taonga- Every woman is a treasure(Maori proverb)

01-23-2008, 08:24 AM	#14 (permalink)
adiemus Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Christchurch, New Zealand Posts: 975	That sounds so great Lydia, it's wonderful to see how you have helped people understand her, and what a wonderful educational opportunity (oh and how incredible to be able to see such an amazing bird close-up!!) __________________ He wahine, he taonga- Every woman is a treasure(Maori proverb)

01-27-2008, 05:26 AM	#19 (permalink)
adiemus Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Christchurch, New Zealand Posts: 975	And they're wonderful photographs!!! thank you Lydia! __________________ He wahine, he taonga- Every woman is a treasure(Maori proverb)

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01-23-2008, 08:21 AM	#13 (permalink)
Lydia dubai V.I.P. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dubai United arab emirates Posts: 1,284	Hi there i am with you about all animalacts i do pitty animals used for circus enz...Daniella (the bird that i use) is not only just a prop....she was rescued from the petmarket in a very poor condition and would have died if the trainer did not take her home,she can not be in the wild because she was born in captivety and dont know how to hunt yet,aswell she would not servive this birds are hunted here and shot because they pray on falcons and falcons are used traditional in the gulf for hunting sindts century,s and are very expensive birds so the owners are not happy to see eagle,s around and shoot them...so Daniella is now with this person the trainer,and he is getting her a mate, so little ones can be born and set free at the moment there are just a few left it the wild overhere and the same trainer now is trying to get a law treu that it is forbidden to shoot them....so he is doing a great job,aswell after the show the audiance is able to have a close look at daniella and the trainer is talking about her and her species so its a educational and very nice oportunety to understand abou this bird and habitat and that its not good to kill them...beside that she is amazing, i am not realy ,,dancing,, with her she is far to heavy anyway,but she comes flying to me at one point in the show sits on my arm for 2 ,3 minutes and fly back to the trainer that is standing about 30 meters away from me,specialy when we are in the desert to perform its realy amazing to watch....

01-23-2008, 08:39 AM	#15 (permalink)
Lydia dubai V.I.P. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dubai United arab emirates Posts: 1,284	If there would be space somewhere i love to share some pics of here at home and with the trainer ,you will love her Adiemus,but i dont know where i could post the picture,s perhaps i can send it to your private mailbox or something?

01-23-2008, 04:20 PM	#16 (permalink)
Serpentessa Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Rifton, NY Posts: 12	Hi Lydia, How wonderful to hear what you are doing with your eagle Daniella! Helping the trainer educate people through your show is somewhat similar to what I do in shows as well except that I'm the trainer and dancer combined. Sometimes I'm so wrapped up in snakes I can't tell the difference.http://forum.orientaldancer.net/imag...lies/think.gif I'd love to see photos or video when you get a chance. I've enjoyed watching your other posted videos....you have a very engaging quality in your dance and persona. I'm certain that lets people relax after the initial wow factor of seeing Daniella fly onto you! I've helped many a person understand their instinctual fear of snakes and move towards another choice to perhaps touch the snake through my belly dancing and entertainment gigs. It's like they see us do it first and may be naturally inspired to do so themselves. My first 3 serpents were some rescues, some who needed new homes. And then they enchanted me! Baby snakes happened by accident so I now have 9 of the same species. Plenty enough to not overwork any one snake....this is very important. In closing, I wanted to add that the bird and the snake are the two animal totems found in nearly every culture's mythologies over many thousands of years. They are known for their profound natural metaphorical wisdom even as in nature they are predator and prey in equal measure to each other. For humanity they also represent the paradox of the body and the soul: the snake is the cycle of life/death/rebirth and the bird is transcendance of the immortal soul. You are the first person I know honoring the eagle in some of your dance shows. That is inspiring to me. Please show us pictures when you can! Your friendly neighborhood snake priestess, Serpentessa

01-23-2008, 04:21 PM	#17 (permalink)
Serpentessa Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Rifton, NY Posts: 12	Hi Lydia, How wonderful to hear what you are doing with your eagle Daniella! Helping the trainer educate people through your show is somewhat similar to what I do in shows as well except that I'm the trainer and dancer combined. Sometimes I'm so wrapped up in snakes I can't tell the difference. ;>0 I'd love to see photos or video when you get a chance. I've enjoyed watching your other posted videos....you have a very engaging quality in your dance and persona. I'm certain that lets people relax after the initial wow factor of seeing Daniella fly onto you! I've helped many a person understand their instinctual fear of snakes and move towards another choice to perhaps touch the snake through my belly dancing and entertainment gigs. It's like they see us do it first and may be naturally inspired to do so themselves. My first 3 serpents were some rescues, some who needed new homes. And then they enchanted me! Baby snakes happened by accident so I now have 9 of the same species. Plenty enough to not overwork any one snake....this is very important. In closing, I wanted to add that the bird and the snake are the two animal totems found in nearly every culture's mythologies over many thousands of years. They are known for their profound natural metaphorical wisdom even as in nature they are predator and prey in equal measure to each other. For humanity they also represent the paradox of the body and the soul: the snake is the cycle of life/death/rebirth and the bird is transcendance of the immortal soul. You are the first person I know honoring the eagle in some of your dance shows. That is inspiring to me. Please show us pictures when you can! Your friendly neighborhood snake priestess, Serpentessa

01-24-2008, 07:49 AM	#18 (permalink)
Lydia dubai V.I.P. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dubai United arab emirates Posts: 1,284	serpentessa....thank you for the nice compliments!! if you send me a private emailadres i will mail some of her pictures some other members did the same..i dont know if it would be the correct thing to mail them in this threat or anywhere else in the forum, but i love to share the pics with anybody that is interested...have a great day ,Lydia

01-27-2008, 07:47 AM	#20 (permalink)
Lydia dubai V.I.P. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dubai United arab emirates Posts: 1,284	you are welcome...i send them to anybody that want to peek ,hope that the animalcarefever catch on LOL ,HAVE AGREAT DAY