Karshlamar and confusion - Page 2

chryssanthi sahar · 10-10-2007, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by sedoniaraqs

Yes, you're correct -- I was thinking of what Greek Americans I have encountered expect in an oriental dance routine.

O.k.

Well, the Greek Americans have developed a culture of their own, which is partially very far away from the Greek culture of Greece today. So sometimes there are quite some misunderstandings between America and Greece Greeks

And American Greeks usually get a kind of culture shock when they visit Greece, because it has nothing to do with the Greece they heard about from their Grand parents.

Maria_Aya · 10-10-2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by chryssanthi sahar

O.k.:And American Greeks usually get a kind of culture shock when they visit Greece, because it has nothing to do with the Greece they heard about from their Grand parents.

THANK GOD !!!

chryssanthi sahar · 10-11-2007, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Maria_Aya

THANK GOD !!!

Haha, you are right

Kiraze · 10-12-2007, 06:10 PM

Cryssanthi and Maria, I really love you! It is so good that you always tell your opinions honestly. As you have already observed with "Greek bellydance" what people outside of Greece think as Greek bellydance or tsiftetelli can be very different same way as what is thought about Turkish bellydance and karsilama in Turkey... problem with karsilama (or terrible misspelling kashlimar) is that most people in Turkey do not think this rhythms as karsilama as karsilama is one specific folkdance - and as I told you before there are so many different styles and dances that can be danced with 9/8 that it is no wonder even most serious Turkish dance fans get confused

chryssanthi sahar · 10-13-2007, 03:56 AM

O.k., then maybe we should give this dance a new name: Dance of Confusion

I quit trying to understand it

I'll just go on dancing my grandpa's style

Maria_Aya · 10-22-2007, 09:48 AM

Ok found various styles/types of Karsilama danced from Greeks, various ages, and from various places of Greece. It is a confusion

From Thraki-Evros, borders with Turkey

From Lesvos Island

And this is from Lesvos again, the type of Karsilamas that is more familiar to me

chryssanthi sahar · 10-25-2007, 04:50 AM

OMG Maria! More confunsion

None of those is the Kasilamas I learned from my grandpa. And there are lot more Kasilamas videos on youtube, which are even lot more different. I think I quit

Moon · 10-25-2007, 11:32 AM

Nooo don't quit! Dance your grandpa's version and put it on youtube?

chryssanthi sahar · 10-27-2007, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Moon

Nooo don't quit! Dance your grandpa's version and put it on youtube?

Yes, I'm planning to do this for my next summer show. I'll dance together with a Turkish student of mine (Karsilama actually is always danced in pairs) the song "Rampi Rampi" (Rompi Rompi), which used to be the favorite song of my grandpa

We'll create our own Greek-Turkish Karsilama and I'll surely put it on youtube

Just be a bit patient and you'll see

10-13-2007, 03:56 AM	#15 (permalink)
chryssanthi sahar Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 1,482	O.k., then maybe we should give this dance a new name: Dance of Confusion I quit trying to understand it I'll just go on dancing my grandpa's style __________________ Oriental dancer and instructor of Greek origin, living in Germany www.chryssanthi.com

10-22-2007, 09:48 AM	#16 (permalink)
Maria_Aya Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 2,221	Ok found various styles/types of Karsilama danced from Greeks, various ages, and from various places of Greece. It is a confusion From Thraki-Evros, borders with Turkey From Lesvos Island And this is from Lesvos again, the type of Karsilamas that is more familiar to me __________________ ... www.orientalexpression.gr

10-25-2007, 04:50 AM	#17 (permalink)
chryssanthi sahar Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 1,482	OMG Maria! More confunsion None of those is the Kasilamas I learned from my grandpa. And there are lot more Kasilamas videos on youtube, which are even lot more different. I think I quit __________________ Oriental dancer and instructor of Greek origin, living in Germany www.chryssanthi.com

10-12-2007, 06:10 PM	#14 (permalink)
Kiraze Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 389	Cryssanthi and Maria, I really love you! It is so good that you always tell your opinions honestly. As you have already observed with "Greek bellydance" what people outside of Greece think as Greek bellydance or tsiftetelli can be very different same way as what is thought about Turkish bellydance and karsilama in Turkey... problem with karsilama (or terrible misspelling kashlimar) is that most people in Turkey do not think this rhythms as karsilama as karsilama is one specific folkdance - and as I told you before there are so many different styles and dances that can be danced with 9/8 that it is no wonder even most serious Turkish dance fans get confused

10-25-2007, 11:32 AM	#18 (permalink)
Moon V.I.P. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 3,621	Nooo don't quit! Dance your grandpa's version and put it on youtube?