Types of Belly Dancing - Page 2

Storm · 05-11-2007, 07:38 PM

Thanks for the link Aziyade

I checked out some of the videos she had posted .. thoroughly enjoyable

teela · 05-11-2007, 07:43 PM

there is a nice combinations DVD out there from Aradia in Las Vegas with Egyptian, Lebanese and Turkish. Each style has 3 sets of combinations that can be put together for a dance and she uses the combinations. She also has short clips of the styles and speaks about the differences. I found it very educational.

Aziyade · 05-11-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by teela

there is a nice combinations DVD out there from Aradia in Las Vegas with Egyptian, Lebanese and Turkish. Each style has 3 sets of combinations that can be put together for a dance and she uses the combinations. She also has short clips of the styles and speaks about the differences. I found it very educational.

I've been wondering about that one and thought about getting it. You would recommend it, then?

KuteNurse · 05-11-2007, 10:43 PM

Once again Thankyou for the positive feedback and the great tips and clips

Kiraze · 05-12-2007, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by nicknack

Check my playlist project, it's a work in progress YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

(any video contributions would be greatly appreciated

)

Nicknack, this playlist project is a nice idea, but Orit and Suhaila hardly belong to Turkish category even though they are both wonderful dancers - well, Suhaila´s style is Suhaila style

and Orit represents Arabic style.

I am however little bit disappointed that those clips I have previously suggested to be great examples of Turkish dance are mostly not included in this playlist

Kiraze · 05-12-2007, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Aziyade

There are some easy ones too:

1. Turkish dancers will use floorwork more often than Egyptians
2. Turkish dancers will use 9/8 rhythms a lot, and Egyptians have shunned the 9/8 and don't seem to dance to it.
3. Turkish dancers will use Armenian, Kurdish, Turkish, and Persian music -- even Israeli/Palestinian music sometimes -- to dance to, but in that area, one melody may have lyrics in 4 different languages.
4. Turkish dancers borrow from Romany folk dance, especially Rom gestures. Egyptians borrow gestures from folk dance too, but they're more subtle and not as OBVIOUS as the Romany "one potato two potato" or "slitting my throat" kind of gestures.

A LOT of the comparisons were done about the dancing in the 70s and 80s, which is sort of what I guess you could consider the "golden age" of Turkish bellydance, or at least that's when there were the most JOBS for dancers in Turkey. Especially talking costumes -- those Turkish skirts in the 70s were much more risque than their Egyptian counterparts. But that was then.

Thanks Aziyade, this was really good oveview although I would say that dancing to 9/8 is NOT very typical within Turkish bellydance (and has never been in Turkey but in Turkish style in USA it is really popular), but it is nice extra that can be added to a dance show similar way as e.g. saiidi part is added to Egyptian show. Of current famous dancers Birgül Beray, Sema Yildiz and Didem use karsilama (9/8) in their shows, but I have never seen or heard Tanyeli or Asena doing that and also of Big stars Prenses Banu did not dance karsilama and somehow it is difficult for me to imagine Nesrin Topkapi doing that either... Tülay Karaca did, but she was Rom...)

BTW about the music currently used in Turkey: using lyrics is at the moment forbidden in dance music and that means also that the style has "returned" back to more classical music whether it was Turkish or Arabic. And with this kind of music dance style also has returned at least a bit back to the roots so using Egyptian pop is not done anymore.

nicknack · 05-12-2007, 11:25 PM

Kiraze I was going with Turkish style (or dancers takes on Turkish style), and not just Turkish dancers, and with as much variety as possible. Pleeeeease send me your favourite clips so I can extend the list. I've been meaning to add more Sema and Birgul

Kiraze · 05-13-2007, 01:10 AM

You should add at least Nesrin Topkapi and more clips from Birgul Beray, Sema Yildiz and Asena. I included some examples on your previous question about Turkish style playlist but I try to find some more.

But again, even I understand you want to add there also other than Turkish dancers I still think that if you want to present Turkish style playlist then those dancers should either be Turkish or to dance Turkish style - adding some dancers who are neither Turks nor dancing Turkish style can just create confusion (like Suhaila & Orit). Maybe you should add third playlist for some great mixed clips that are not clearly Egyptian/Turkish/Lebanese

(Sorry if I sound harsh but as most of the dancers do not know Turkish dancing I want it to be presented correctly)

Salome · 05-13-2007, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Aziyade

I've been wondering about that one and thought about getting it. You would recommend it, then?

Aradia and I were in touch recently and I think we will carry that in Bellydancestore.net.

Aziyade · 05-14-2007, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiraze

Thanks Aziyade, this was really good oveview although I would say that dancing to 9/8 is NOT very typical within Turkish bellydance (and has never been in Turkey but in Turkish style in USA it is really popular),... Of current famous dancers Birgül Beray, Sema Yildiz and Didem use karsilama (9/8) in their shows, but I have never seen or heard Tanyeli or Asena doing that and also of Big stars Prenses Banu did not dance karsilama and somehow it is difficult for me to imagine Nesrin Topkapi doing that either... Tülay Karaca did, but she was Rom...)

Kiraze, thank you for this -- but I'm confused. Of the bellydance music that was available in the US, there is a lot of 9/8 on it -- and I was recently told that karsilama is just one kind of 9/8 and that many Turkish songs are 9/8 but NOT karsilama. Am I confused?

Most of the video that I have is from the 80's and shows a lot of 9/8 but I have no idea (beyond the 3 you mention) who the dancers are and whether they are Rom or not. So are you saying a 9/8 of ANY kind is Rom? I've learned what I was taught as Turkish folk dance and there were 9/8s in the music -- is that basically just a Rom influence, then? (Thanks!)

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nicknack Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Nottingham UK Posts: 269	Kiraze I was going with Turkish style (or dancers takes on Turkish style), and not just Turkish dancers, and with as much variety as possible. Pleeeeease send me your favourite clips so I can extend the list. I've been meaning to add more Sema and Birgul __________________ *Cause I'm not here to let you down. But the costume makes the clown.*

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teela Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Alaska Posts: 300	there is a nice combinations DVD out there from Aradia in Las Vegas with Egyptian, Lebanese and Turkish. Each style has 3 sets of combinations that can be put together for a dance and she uses the combinations. She also has short clips of the styles and speaks about the differences. I found it very educational.

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KuteNurse V.I.P. Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Duluth, Minnesota Posts: 2,986	Once again Thankyou for the positive feedback and the great tips and clips

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Kiraze Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 389	You should add at least Nesrin Topkapi and more clips from Birgul Beray, Sema Yildiz and Asena. I included some examples on your previous question about Turkish style playlist but I try to find some more. But again, even I understand you want to add there also other than Turkish dancers I still think that if you want to present Turkish style playlist then those dancers should either be Turkish or to dance Turkish style - adding some dancers who are neither Turks nor dancing Turkish style can just create confusion (like Suhaila & Orit). Maybe you should add third playlist for some great mixed clips that are not clearly Egyptian/Turkish/Lebanese (Sorry if I sound harsh but as most of the dancers do not know Turkish dancing I want it to be presented correctly)