Greek Dance Experts: a question - Page 2

Aziyade · 03-09-2007, 07:44 PM

Chryssanthi, I keep meaning to ask more about Tsiftetelli music and dance, but I keep getting distracted by the beautiful YouTube clips of you!

Thank heavenss for YouTube -- a video really is worth a thousand words.
Although I'm still having trouble figure out the rhythms for Tsiftetelli, but I've just started a search for music. Maybe after listening to a few CDs I'll be able to figure it out.

Back to Chryssanthi's Youtube videos ...

chryssanthi sahar · 03-13-2007, 05:49 AM

Dear Aziyade.

I'm glad you like my videos

Yes, youtube is really a blessing for dancers and people interested in dance. How could we live without it until recently

As about the rhythm in Tsifteteli: have a look at a discussion we had about it in another sub forum
http://forum.orientaldancer.net/musi...hifteteli.html
I'm sure if you listen enough to Tsifteteli songs, you will learn to hear the rhythm

Maarika sweetheart, go through all of your Elli Kokkinou CDs, because she does have some great modern Tsifteteli songs ("Masai" for example

).

Aziyade · 03-14-2007, 02:50 PM

I'm listening to one of my fave CD's -- Harry Saroyan sings An Oriental Bouquet. There's a song on there labeled "Greek," sung by Helen Walton called "Marinella" that DINSTINCTLY sounds like a 9/8 ryhthm.

Am I correct? Is this a 9/8 song? And is this a Greek folk song?
Thanks!

Maria_Aya · 03-14-2007, 03:12 PM

hi there
Marinela is the name of the best singer of Greece.
Now the song Marinela, never heard of it.
Maybe its a song that original Marinela (the singer) had sung, and many of her songs are 9/8.

Maria Aya

chryssanthi sahar · 03-16-2007, 04:05 AM

Hi Aziyade.

I also never heard of a song called "Marilena". As Maria said, Marilena is the name of one of the biggest Greek singers, but a song with that name?

Can you find this song in Internet? If yes, just post the link and I'll tell you if it is a real Greek song.
By the way, 9/8 songs are common in Greece. They belong to the music tradition of Rembetiko and, similar to Tsifteteli, they have been brought to Greece by the Greeks of Smyrna (Izmir). If you have read my Tsifteteli article, you know what I am talking about

Madeline · 03-26-2007, 03:57 AM

Do you mean “Marinella”? I’ve heard a song called this which definitely has a 9/8 rhythm. Is it Greek?

chryssanthi sahar · 03-27-2007, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Madeline

Do you mean “Marinella”? I’ve heard a song called this which definitely has a 9/8 rhythm. Is it Greek?

Yes, I mean Marinella

I must have been half asleep, when I wrote the former posting. Well, I haven't heard of any song called "Marinella", but this doesn't mean, that there doesn't exist one. We have billions of songs in Greece, so it is not possible even for people who are possessed by music (like me

) to know all songs that exist. Nevertheless it is not a famous song in Greece, if it would be, Maria and I would surely know it. By the way, 9/8 rhythm in Greek music doesn't necessarily mean Karshlama (Kasilama). Also the Zeimbekiko songs are 9/8 (slow 9/8). But one shouldn't ever dare to belly dance on Zeimbekiko songs (we already had that discussion with Zorba in this forum, other thread

)

nicknack · 04-13-2007, 04:05 PM

I've developed a serious addiction for all things Greek. It was one of my friends birthdays last night so we went to the local Greek cafe, where there was live music, and dancing from and with the very talented staff. I'm waiting for the next music night which I'm going to try with a little less wine in my stomach

maariku · 04-14-2007, 08:07 AM

Welcome to the club, Nicknack!

Storm · 05-11-2007, 04:30 AM

... my mother officially thinks Im insane .. I just rang her to get an explanation from her about the difference between the folk songs that greeks dance to in a group and tsifteteli ...

Her answer was, you can here the difference ... Im like, yes mum I can hear the difference too cause Ive grown up with it but if an Aussie friend asked you how would you explain it to them ... shes like, same way I explained it to you .. you can hear it ... Im like thanks mum your absolutely no help

03-13-2007, 05:49 AM	#12 (permalink)
chryssanthi sahar Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 1,482	Dear Aziyade. I'm glad you like my videos Yes, youtube is really a blessing for dancers and people interested in dance. How could we live without it until recently As about the rhythm in Tsifteteli: have a look at a discussion we had about it in another sub forum http://forum.orientaldancer.net/musi...hifteteli.html I'm sure if you listen enough to Tsifteteli songs, you will learn to hear the rhythm Maarika sweetheart, go through all of your Elli Kokkinou CDs, because she does have some great modern Tsifteteli songs ("Masai" for example ). __________________ Oriental dancer and instructor of Greek origin, living in Germany www.chryssanthi.com

03-14-2007, 02:50 PM	#13 (permalink)
Aziyade V.I.P. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cornfields of Evansville Indiana. Posts: 1,050	Is there a Greek 9/8 I'm listening to one of my fave CD's -- Harry Saroyan sings An Oriental Bouquet. There's a song on there labeled "Greek," sung by Helen Walton called "Marinella" that DINSTINCTLY sounds like a 9/8 ryhthm. Am I correct? Is this a 9/8 song? And is this a Greek folk song? Thanks!

03-16-2007, 04:05 AM	#15 (permalink)
chryssanthi sahar Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 1,482	Hi Aziyade. I also never heard of a song called "Marilena". As Maria said, Marilena is the name of one of the biggest Greek singers, but a song with that name? Can you find this song in Internet? If yes, just post the link and I'll tell you if it is a real Greek song. By the way, 9/8 songs are common in Greece. They belong to the music tradition of Rembetiko and, similar to Tsifteteli, they have been brought to Greece by the Greeks of Smyrna (Izmir). If you have read my Tsifteteli article, you know what I am talking about __________________ Oriental dancer and instructor of Greek origin, living in Germany www.chryssanthi.com

04-13-2007, 04:05 PM	#18 (permalink)
nicknack Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Nottingham UK Posts: 269	I've developed a serious addiction for all things Greek. It was one of my friends birthdays last night so we went to the local Greek cafe, where there was live music, and dancing from and with the very talented staff. I'm waiting for the next music night which I'm going to try with a little less wine in my stomach __________________ *Cause I'm not here to let you down. But the costume makes the clown.*

04-14-2007, 08:07 AM	#19 (permalink)
maariku Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Estonia Posts: 1,146	Welcome to the club, Nicknack! __________________ "[A good bellydancer] must express life, death, happiness, sorrow, love and anger, but above all she must have dignity." -Tahia Carioca,

03-09-2007, 07:44 PM	#11 (permalink)
Aziyade V.I.P. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cornfields of Evansville Indiana. Posts: 1,050	Chryssanthi, I keep meaning to ask more about Tsiftetelli music and dance, but I keep getting distracted by the beautiful YouTube clips of you! Thank heavenss for YouTube -- a video really is worth a thousand words. Although I'm still having trouble figure out the rhythms for Tsiftetelli, but I've just started a search for music. Maybe after listening to a few CDs I'll be able to figure it out. Back to Chryssanthi's Youtube videos ...

03-14-2007, 03:12 PM	#14 (permalink)
Maria_Aya Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 2,221	hi there Marinela is the name of the best singer of Greece. Now the song Marinela, never heard of it. Maybe its a song that original Marinela (the singer) had sung, and many of her songs are 9/8. Maria Aya

03-26-2007, 03:57 AM	#16 (permalink)
Madeline Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 303	Do you mean “Marinella”? I’ve heard a song called this which definitely has a 9/8 rhythm. Is it Greek?

05-11-2007, 04:30 AM	#20 (permalink)
Storm Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Logan City, Australia Posts: 15	... my mother officially thinks Im insane .. I just rang her to get an explanation from her about the difference between the folk songs that greeks dance to in a group and tsifteteli ... Her answer was, you can here the difference ... Im like, yes mum I can hear the difference too cause Ive grown up with it but if an Aussie friend asked you how would you explain it to them ... shes like, same way I explained it to you .. you can hear it ... Im like thanks mum your absolutely no help __________________ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday ..... Last edited by Storm; 05-11-2007 at 04:30 AM. Reason: gremlin didnt work