*nyssa

I took a workshop from Artemis, she's wonderful.

miss_shimmy

i read that samsied,i am so sorry

what is the name of the dvd by artemis.

thankx girl


amanda
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Aisha Azar

Dear Group,
My favorite Turkish style dancer is Jennet, who is currently in turkey and will be returning to the States for a short time in order to gather up some of her stuff and go and live there for a year or so. she dances Istanbul rom and turkish belly dance. Right now she is doing some research in a little place in the south of Turkey, "only accessible by boat". She is working there making Turkish coffee and serving people in a little coffee house. She LOVES it as it exposes her to the people of the region in a way that she would not otherwise be able to experience. If ever you get a chance to study with her, do it IMMEDIATELY!!!!
Regards,
A'isha

Aaeesha

Oh my goodness! That is so cool:p "Only accessible by boat"? What an experience!

chryssanthi sahar

Dear Kiraze.

Selma Yildiz was here in Germany last October during the "Orienta" Festival in Frankfurt. She performed and also gave workshops. I saw her performance and liked it, because it was a really good pure Turkish style, but I didn't hear such good things about her workshop. A student of mine participated her workshop and was very disappointed. Selma doesn't seem to explain well and her lesson seems to have no concept. So I don't know if it would be worth it to visit her workshop. Maybe it's better to visit the workshop of the Egyptian teacher.

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Kiraze

Thanks Cryssanthi, I heard some positive feedback about Sema from last AWS but also that her teaching belongs to category "follow the bouncing butt" so it depends how much one can get out of that kind of classes... well, I am willing to try if her dancing represents pure Turkish style as my own Turkish style needs some polishing (too much Egyptian influences)... it is kind of funny that in Europe there really is not many Turkish style dancers (only one I can recall is Swedish Maria Hansson) even though there are even many dancers with Turkish origin! Even great dancers like Fatima Serin and Sibel Nefa represent more Egyptian or western cabaret style

chryssanthi sahar

Sibel Nefa is not of Turkish origin. She is German. I know, because I know her personally. She dances a mixed Egyptian/American cabaret style.
Fatima Serin is of Turkish origin, but she dances Egyptian Raqs Sharqi. Why do you wonder about the fact, that there are more dancers dancing Egyptian than ones that dance Turkish? Egyptian is more artistic than Turkish, it has lot more movements and more difficult system and the Arabian belly dance music is more complex and interesting than the Turkish one. A short Turkish performance might be thrilling, but I could never watch Turkish style belly dancing for hours. Opposite to this, I cannot get enough of Egyptian style belly dance. You can compare Turkish style to Pop music and Egyptian style to Classical music. Of course at the end, it is a matter of taste

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Kiraze

...it must be with the names: I am not really used to that dancers do not use their real names so I thought Sibel Nefa is her real name and that name sounds to me quite typical Turkish

Anyway i really do not wonder the fact that there are more Egyptian style dancers but I wonder why most of the dancers of Turkish origin do not have almost any influences of their own culture left in their dancing... and e.g. Fatima´s dancing does not look to me Egyptian either... it looks hmmm how to say it...*German*

But I do not agree that arabic music were more complex or interesting than Turkish: in Turkish music you can have rhythms and instruments that are unique and really complex and really hard to interpret correctly... but I agree that it is matter of tastes: I love Arabic classical and folk music as well as Turkish arabesk and folk music but I hate Arabic pop music and Turkish pop music if for me only for listening and I hate to watch dancing with Tarkan etc

chryssanthi sahar

Well I was not talking about Turkish music in general. Sure there is a lot of very interesting and complex Turkish music, especially from the Ottoman time. I was talking only about traditional Turkish belly dance music. I find it lot more monotone than the Arabian belly dance music. The same is true for the Greek belly dance music (Tsifteteli). Of course I love to dance on Tsifteteli music, because I am Greek, but I don't wonder, if non Greeks are not crazy about dancing with this music:p
By the way, I like also modern Arabian and Turkish music, but only for in between. I hate it, when a dancer performs only with this music. This is a sign, that she doesn't have high dancing skills.
As about Fatima Serin, you are right: she has kind of Egyptian-German mixed style with a touch of Turkish She can dance quite well though.

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Aisha Azar

Dear Group,
I have studied Egyptian belly dance for some 32 years now, and I would be willing to say that I have a strong level of expertise in both the movement and essence of this style of belly dance.
I have had some study in Turkish belly dance and recently also in Rom, Istanbul style. I feel that Turkish belly dance, while not as subtle for the most part as Egyptian, is every bit as complex in musical, cultural and technical context. This is judging from what I have learned so far. I fully admit that this style is not my forte` and that I am in reality just beginning to plumb the depths of Turkish dance, but I would say that I hope that I do not ever underestimate its complexities.
Regards,
A'isha