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Originally Posted by charity
hmm...i never said change occured in upheavals. i said that things change by small tweakings at a time...did i not???
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Charity, this is your quote I was responding to (emphasis mine): "if
peoples were being abused and oppressed for 2000 years, dont you think the time would come sooner or later that they would rebel? just because we cannot see the reasons why it would be a choice, does not mean that it is a forceful way of life."
My point was that the Muslim culture in the Middle East is often (not always!)abusive and oppressive to women, and that women as a group do not rebel in the same way that an ethnic or religious minority might (and have, throughout history). So the lack of a large, organized rebellion, is not indicative of the absence of oppression on woman.
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Originally Posted by charity
but yes the website you cited, what do you think a website devoted to gendercide is going to say. in the fourth grade, when i wanted to change the world, i believed what those publications told me whether it be on human rights, global warming, politics, poverty...whatever, in fact even recently i quuoted a human rights pub...  ohmy bad, i like to play devil's advocate, i'm flexible, but i believe what i believe...hold on, i hav yoga to go to. finish this later. |
I picked that website because it was on the first google page, and it mentioned how the King of Jordan himself must stoop to trying to tweak public opinion on honor killings (and the prosecution thereof)...he cannot simply lead a direct movement to change the law. That indicates a deep intrenchment of the idea of women as "not independent entities worthy of respect" - because sons of families are not subject to the same threat of honor killings, as the daughters are. I can get you another website, I just thought the bit about how the King (THE KING!) has to be so conservative in trying to make change was particularly illustrative of my point about the local culture.
As for devils advocate...it may
not be that these honor killings are any more prevalent in Jordan than in other ME countries. It may be that they are better documented, and have received more international notice because of the nation's own attempts to address the issue and create change.
EDIT: Maybe you will like this Reuters article better:
Reuters AlertNet - JORDAN: Special report on honour killings